Chat Log - 11 March 2010

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rolope: good morning/evening from Mexico City

Jaimey Walking Bear: Twitter list of all our speakers for today's OLC: http://twitter.com/#/list/gov2events/gov2-olc-speakers

Samyra Ribeiro: But I am in Barcelona now

Marcelo Albagli: Yes, I'm from Brazil

Almin Surani: Hello from the Canadian Red Cross in Ottawa

Gisele Rodrigues: Hi, I am in Brazil

Jaimey Walking Bear: http://www.gov2expo.com

Carlos Gonzalez: From SoFla

Cheryl Hogan: Hello from Agriculture Canada in Ottawa

Keren Adderley`: i lost sound

Evgeny Styrin: so did I

Jury Konga: ditto

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: I just got booted too. Sound out.

Melissa VonHinken: so did I

Julie Shen: so did I

Tim Bonnemann: no sound

Erica Schlaikjer: same here

John.5555.Moore@gmail.com: Am I the only one that lost audio?

Evgeny Styrin: ok

Tim Bonnemann: back

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: sound back.

Keren Adderley`: sound back

Wolfgang Holzmann: sound back

dcortes: I haven't sound

Erica Schlaikjer: no joel audio

Dan Batista: Hello from Canada Business - Industry Canada

Jaimey Walking Bear: thanks for your patience everyone. we're working on getting him back

krisdev: Laurel's voice is slightly audible

Jacob: Sound again.

dcortes: it's ok now

Mark Drapeau 2: Hang on just one sec everyone!

Kevin Curry: no worries...these things happen...

Samyra Ribeiro: Are you going to put the audio to download after?

Kevin Curry: http://delicious.com/tag/CityCamp+Canada

Ted Nguyen: Hello from Orange County, Calif. Will you please mute your computer so we don't hear the ''bling'' each time the chat goes online? Thanks.

joshualhutchison@gmail.com: @subbob - any other Army here?

krisdev: voice quality is low

Paul Johnston: Q: have things started yet?

Pia Waugh: We (in Australia) have started with open data sets

krisdev: ghost sound around

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Computer sound is now off but can hear via phone.

Bob King: Josh - None that I know of. I'm here on independent ops as no one else knew about this.

Pia Waugh: ghost in the machine

Gary: OK so adobe is blowing up..

krisdev: page is hanging and refreshing

Mary Rotman: Samyra - we'll have the whole presentation (audio+slides) available within the week.

downtownfarm.net 2: urban farming + high tech ... can it fly?

joshualhutchison@gmail.com: Understand, me too

curtis clemons: I'm gettin a bad echo

Connect Solutions Support: No Adobe issue just a phone issue being resolved

Gary: the broadcast is really glitchy...

Tim Minter: there should always be a ''technology noodling'' agenda item

Pia Waugh: working fine here, no echo, the dial in noise is annoying but I'm guessing that's the teleconf system sound. broadcast sounds fine here

downtownfarm.net 2: sustainable communities through frontyardchicken?

Samuel Bronson: This is why hosts should join early

downtownfarm.net 2: i'd love to get some feedback on my ideas.

Bruce Head: I lost audio a couple of times so I've dialed in.

Gary: what are ur ideas.... down town farm

Marsee Henon: Thanks everyone for your patience while we get people dialed in.

downtownfarm.net 2: downtownfarm.net

Laurel Ruma: Thanks for your patience everyone :0

AnupamSaraph: not able to login but guest attendence works!

Lucian Teo: No worries Laruel. A decade ago this would have been impossible anyway.

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Not the first time and likely not the last. Not a problem. Appreciate O'Reilly doing this.

John.5555.Moore@gmail.com: Agreed, appreciate the efforts

Keren Adderley`: audio gone again

Campbell Macdonald: Any sound?

Laurel Ruma: Thanks everyone

Keren Adderley`: back

David Tallan: Sound is fine here.

AnupamSaraph: sound works, appreciate the efforts

Bruce Head: Try dialing in

Evgeny Styrin: The main issue is to get the final presentations and audio

Connect Solutions Support: david sounds great

Evgeny Styrin: Hi, David!!

krisdev: david is loud and clear

Alexandra Banford: Hey from Victoria BC - great to be here!

krisdev: may be he can speak a little slowly

Jaimey Walking Bear: David on Twitter: @david_a_eaves

Marsee Henon: O'Reilly's Open Governemet book http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596804367/

laurence millar: Gold star for Stephen Collins as well, the other one up at 4am

Evgeny Styrin: yes...he should speak slowly!!

Jaimey Walking Bear: http://www.eaves.ca for his blog

downtownfarm.net 2: david i'll check out your blog.

curtis clemons: how do I get rid of echo/underwater sound

AnupamSaraph: is there a tweet channel for this?

Keren Adderley`: Yes, there are reasons they should!!

Bob King: #gov20olc

Mary Rotman: The hashtag for this Online Conference is #gov20olcYou can also get us on Twitter @gov2events

Jury Konga: Alexandra - need to re-connect ... Jury : )

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Spent some time in Victoria and Vancouver in British Columbia; great ppl & great places.

Cheryl Hogan: what is david's twitter?

AnupamSaraph: thanks

Pia Waugh: It's cool to see so many Open Source ppl in this space. I think the underlying principles therein are a great basis for Gov 2.0

Jaimey Walking Bear: @david_a_eaves

Laurel Ruma: Connect with David on Twitter: @david_a_eaves

Alexandra Banford: Jury - we definitely do. I'll follow-up with you post conf.

krisdev: More than just hearing, we need to digest what is told. Can David be a bit slow?!

downtownfarm.net 2: i just made LIDAR compression open source

David Tallan: I don't think our provincial OPSpedia is so far behind the GCpedia in internal change!!

Elena Rapisardi: please david speak slowlier

Keren Adderley`: Q: can david please speak more slowly!

Bob King: Q: For David and other speakers. How are you getting word about open government initiatives out to those not already online? Currently seems to be very much an echo chamber, those online know. Others do not.

Evgeny Styrin: Q: the same bid as Keren

David Tallan: Happy to show David Eaves what we are doing in Ontario.

downtownfarm.net 2: nanaimo bars!!!

Stephen Collins: Ii finally seem to be connected properly. Yay. Can't process tech issues at 4AM.

Bxmx: David - I'd love to chat more with what you're doing in Ont.

Matthew Hall: hi Bowen

Bxmx: Hey Matt.

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Background -- Scorecard of transparency and accountabity rules in Canada: http://report.globalintegrity.org/Canada

Allison Hornery: Municipal comments are interesting, not seeing the same level of activity in AU yet for Local Gov

Campbell Macdonald: For Ontario folks, do you have any connection for cities (Tornoto, Ottawa, Hamilton)? If so please connect campbell@parkingmobility.com

Laurel Ruma: Good morning Stephen--thanks to alll of you joining us so early!

downtownfarm.net 2: please contact me if you think cute urban farming can empower low-income families and create wonderfuk communities and reduce crime

Jack Ray: I'm interested in knowing if there is any model legislation on open data appropriate for the state level.

Pia Waugh: Bob, we are using policy development as a focus for some of our gov 2.0 experiments, where we incorporate online tools and open community practices but still encourage people to write, call, email into policy development process but all offline input is also published online so everything is compiled and transparent. We see gov 2.0 as extension and improvement, not complete replacement ;)

VideoMinutes 2: Q: How are you using video of public meetings for a more transparent government?

krisdev: Jonathan, I am interested in transparency and accountability

Alexandra Banford: David Tallan - hello from BC to you, Eli, and team.

Kevin Curry: http://delicious.com/tag/CityCamp+datamine

Bob King: @PIA Thanks!

Pia Waugh: Jack, we are basically moving towards open data from a reasonably closed model, so it'd be worth watching the progress of Australia for at least one model of moving towards open data and transparency in gov

David Tallan: @Bxmx: send me your coordinates and we can connect . david.tallan@ontario.ca

Sheba: q: will these slides be made available?

Barbara Jossi: What is the problem with the sound?

VideoMinutes 2: Is there a Twitter hashtag for this?

Jaimey Walking Bear: #gov20olc

VideoMinutes 2: Thanks! (answer: #gov20olc)

Pia Waugh: Laurel, could you change the chat window so it's longer as there is a lot of chat happening and it's hard to keep up :)

Robin Browne: Will David's presentation be made available online?

Lucian Teo: +1 for rethinking gov relationship with open source software. Esp in developing countries - they need not be bound to expensive proprietary frameworks.

krisdev: Look at e-Administration open Source Tool details at http://ll2b.blogspot.com

Marsee Henon: We'll have a copy of this conference available. We'll email the details to you directly.

Dan Batista: David, we should talk. Would like to show you what we have done/are doing with Canada Business re: open source technology/social media.

David Tallan: @Campbell: Certainly for Toronto and Ottawa, can find for other municipalities

Jaimey Walking Bear: Pia, sorry, we can't adjust the size of the chat window

Bob King: @sheba Slides will be available for download after the presentation at http://conferences.oreilly.com/gov2online

Stephen Collins: Laurel +1 to Pia's suggestion. Chat window shifting too fast. Needs to be larger.

Laurel Ruma: Hi Pia, saldy we can't make the chat window much bigger, but we recommend copy and pasting into a text file

downtownfarm.net 2: radiohead ''house of cards'' real-time 3D streaming to broadcast cute urban farm activities ... will it fly?

David Tallan: @Alexandra Hi!!

krisdev: I agree with Lucian. I am from india and can very well understand the problems of licenced software

Jack Ray: Here in Minnesota Microsoft is opposing Senate File 2188 which is a modest first step toward openness.

David Tallan: @Dan: happy to connect. My email is higher up in the strwam.

downtownfarm.net 2: chickens + lasers = ''the avatar feeling'' ...?

Pia Waugh: People should check out the awesome work happening in the Malaysian Open Source Competency Centre where they've developed great software, shared it amongst all jurisdictions, and massively leveraged and developed local talent. http://www.oscc.org.my/

Jaimey Walking Bear: You can connect with all of todays speakers on Twitter: http://twitter.com/#/list/gov2events/gov2-olc-speakers

Pia Waugh: Laurel will you publish the chat log along with the other event outcomes (audio and such)?

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Keren Adderley`: thanks cheryl

downtownfarm.net 2: i bring pandora to livermore downtown

downtownfarm.net 2: it's cheap

Pia Waugh: Laurence, Aus is also proposing same thing, we just have an extra layer to work with ;) A few Federal agencies, and state govs have committed to CC

downtownfarm.net 2: it's fun

openroadmaps@gmail.com: Thank you, David. Wonderful presentation.

downtownfarm.net 2: kids love it

downtownfarm.net 2: i am the happy meal of green

Laurel Ruma: hi DowntownFarm.net: we're trying to stay on topic here. do you have a question for david?

Cheryl Hogan: no prob Keren hope it helps!

downtownfarm.net 2: okay .. i shut up now. sorry.

Don Cheney: Q: How do Gov agencies protect against malicious use of the data they have access to

Quinn: ''i'm the mayor of buckingham palace!''

Pia Waugh: @stephen collins - what sort of court cases? In any case, it's local precedent that counts. It is a pretty entrenched idea.

John.5555.Moore@gmail.com: Have you seen the Queen? She needs a YouTube channel :-)

Elena Rapisardi: david, speak more slowly please

Pam Broviak: I thought she had a youtube channel

Quinn: does canada have much wimax?

Stephen Collins: @pia I recall talking to NZ folk last year about cases where CrownC validity had been challenged. Laurence may know more.

laurence millar: @stephen Collins Not sure about court cases on Crown copyright. NZGOAL *NZ Government Open Access Licensing'' material is at http://bit.ly/nSwZ5

Geneviève Bouillon Bernier: @Don Cheney : data on web is public, you need to assume what you show online or in the media. Be sure it can't be use maliciously ;)

Andrew Weatherby: Q: As Gov2.0 becomes more available, how will this interfer with businesses and/or push back from businesses will hinder the Gov2.0? (ie Weather)

James Jacobs: Q: what are the pros/cons of govts using private Web services like twitter, yammer, youtube etc?

Mark Drapeau 2: '' We need to be ready forwhat will become normal tomorrow'' - David Eaves #gov20olc

AnupamSaraph: @david what are the key drivers for gov 2.0 growth? people, processes, tech?

Matthew Hall: http://blog.ted.com/2006/10/iqbal_quadir_on.php

Keren Adderley`: @james jacob..one of the things we are struggling with is records retention

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: In a lot of poor countries, mobile phone penetration is quicker with the lower classes. This may be true of smartphones etc - cheaper than a PC, phone line, etc.

Lucian Teo: Serving even 1 citizen is 1 better than waiting for the chance to serve every single one before doing anything.

David Tallan: @Pam: yes, she has one.

Antoinette Smith: Among U.S. teens, mobile Internet use is greater and more accessible than via a computer. Learned that at an educational conf a couple months ago.

James Jacobs: @Keren yes records retention is difficult. I'm a govt docs librarian so am interested in that aspect

Vilma Bonilla 2: The FCC is already working on the National Broadband Plan to provide access for all.

laurence millar: What is the difference between foursuare and twitter?

Pia Waugh: Thanks David, very interesting talk!

jbayless@srcity.org: Q: anyone have experience with socialcast.com? It is a twitter and yammer like API for Intranet microblogging that we're testing at SRcity.org (internally)

Antoinette Smith: Foursquare is location based

laurence millar: Q what is the difference between foursquare and twitter?

Quinn: how much of the .ca population is rural/remote?

James Jacobs: US federal communication commission proposed a video.gov site http://freegovinfo.info/node/2921

Stephen Collins: Broadband issues are much the same in Australia as Canada. Hopefully our NBN can go some way to solving this.

Bob King: @laurence FourSquare works with Twitter (and other SNS, like Facebook) to geo tag individuals participating in local businesses

Vilma Bonilla 2: Twitter is a social media SMS based tool. Foursqaure is a GPS enabled location service tool.

Matthew Hall: Its the connections towards the north of each province that is the issue

Antoinette Smith: So, with Foursquare you are connecting via exact locations, on Twitter it's more via common ideas

Stephen Collins: @laurence 4sq v twitter - talk to me later :)

Matthew Hall: BC is all over LiveMeeting like crazy

Stephen Dixon: @s_dixon

David Tallan: @lawrence: 4square is all about location

Stephen Dixon: NB is also using LiveMeeting

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Urbanization:urban population: 80% of total population (2008)rate of urbanization: 1% annual rate of change (2005-10 est.)

laurence millar: Boradband lagging in ''the commonwealth'' (ironic wink), there is too much country and not enough people. Yay!

Brent Barron: Q: How possible is to have real meaty policy discussion within a gvmt internal wiki, given the possibliity of leaks, which may lead to a scandal?

Matthew Hall: Many of our Ministries have weekly live meeting conf calls.

VideoMinutes 2: Clickable agenda items for videos - we do that!

Stephen Collins: thanks Car Transport

Jack Ray: How about a wiki to write a model state level open data bill?

Keren Adderley`: love that budget comment!!

jbayless@srcity.org: awesome David - thanks!

guest: does anyone have list of ''disruptive innovators''?

Alexandros Pagidas: Thanks David, loved your last point.

joshualhutchison@gmail.com: Good info, David

Jane Ryan: excellent presentation!

Cheryl Hogan: heres the link to the wikki for web 2.0 strategies http://government20bestpractices.pbworks.com/

Stephen Collins: @pia I wonder about CrownC. Hasn't NZ had some court cases addressing this that might have some relevance? Laurence?

Evgeny Styrin: Thanks, David

Matthew Hall: BC's use of Yammer is like that. no one can stop it.

Merri Christi Pemberton: Great talk! Thank you David.

Alexandra Banford: Awesome points David.. thanks.

laurence millar: NZ is proposing CC BY as default as alternative to Crown Copyright

Elena Rapisardi: thanks david. really enlightening

Cheryl Hogan: thanks david!

downtownfarm.net 2: sorry ... all these meetings at work

downtownfarm.net 2: i need to leave soon,

Lucian Teo: @laurence milar: that would be awesome.

Keren Adderley`: thanks cheryl

downtownfarm.net 2: i bring pandora to livermore downtown

downtownfarm.net 2: it's cheap

Pia Waugh: Laurence, Aus is also proposing same thing, we just have an extra layer to work with ;) A few Federal agencies, and state govs have committed to CC

downtownfarm.net 2: it's fun

openroadmaps@gmail.com: Thank you, David. Wonderful presentation.

downtownfarm.net 2: kids love it

downtownfarm.net 2: i am the happy meal of green

Laurel Ruma: hi DowntownFarm.net: we're trying to stay on topic here. do you have a question for david?

Cheryl Hogan: no prob Keren hope it helps!

downtownfarm.net 2: okay .. i shut up now. sorry.

Don Cheney: Q: How do Gov agencies protect against malicious use of the data they have access to

Quinn: ''i'm the mayor of buckingham palace!''

Pia Waugh: @stephen collins - what sort of court cases? In any case, it's local precedent that counts. It is a pretty entrenched idea.

John.5555.Moore@gmail.com: Have you seen the Queen? She needs a YouTube channel :-)

Elena Rapisardi: david, speak more slowly please

Pam Broviak: I thought she had a youtube channel

Quinn: does canada have much wimax?

Stephen Collins: @pia I recall talking to NZ folk last year about cases where CrownC validity had been challenged. Laurence may know more.

laurence millar: @stephen Collins Not sure about court cases on Crown copyright. NZGOAL *NZ Government Open Access Licensing'' material is at http://bit.ly/nSwZ5

Geneviève Bouillon Bernier: @Don Cheney : data on web is public, you need to assume what you show online or in the media. Be sure it can't be use maliciously ;)

Andrew Weatherby: Q: As Gov2.0 becomes more available, how will this interfer with businesses and/or push back from businesses will hinder the Gov2.0? (ie Weather)

James Jacobs: Q: what are the pros/cons of govts using private Web services like twitter, yammer, youtube etc?

Mark Drapeau 2: '' We need to be ready forwhat will become normal tomorrow'' - David Eaves #gov20olc

AnupamSaraph: @david what are the key drivers for gov 2.0 growth? people, processes, tech?

Matthew Hall: http://blog.ted.com/2006/10/iqbal_quadir_on.php

Keren Adderley`: @james jacob..one of the things we are struggling with is records retention

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: In a lot of poor countries, mobile phone penetration is quicker with the lower classes. This may be true of smartphones etc - cheaper than a PC, phone line, etc.

Lucian Teo: Serving even 1 citizen is 1 better than waiting for the chance to serve every single one before doing anything.

David Tallan: @Pam: yes, she has one.

Antoinette Smith: Among U.S. teens, mobile Internet use is greater and more accessible than via a computer. Learned that at an educational conf a couple months ago.

James Jacobs: @Keren yes records retention is difficult. I'm a govt docs librarian so am interested in that aspect

Vilma Bonilla 2: The FCC is already working on the National Broadband Plan to provide access for all.

laurence millar: What is the difference between foursuare and twitter?

Pia Waugh: Thanks David, very interesting talk!

jbayless@srcity.org: Q: anyone have experience with socialcast.com? It is a twitter and yammer like API for Intranet microblogging that we're testing at SRcity.org (internally)

Antoinette Smith: Foursquare is location based

laurence millar: Q what is the difference between foursquare and twitter?

Quinn: how much of the .ca population is rural/remote?

James Jacobs: US federal communication commission proposed a video.gov site http://freegovinfo.info/node/2921

Stephen Collins: Broadband issues are much the same in Australia as Canada. Hopefully our NBN can go some way to solving this.

Bob King: @laurence FourSquare works with Twitter (and other SNS, like Facebook) to geo tag individuals participating in local businesses

Vilma Bonilla 2: Twitter is a social media SMS based tool. Foursqaure is a GPS enabled location service tool.

Matthew Hall: Its the connections towards the north of each province that is the issue

Antoinette Smith: So, with Foursquare you are connecting via exact locations, on Twitter it's more via common ideas

Stephen Collins: @laurence 4sq v twitter - talk to me later :)

Matthew Hall: BC is all over LiveMeeting like crazy

Stephen Dixon: @s_dixon

David Tallan: @lawrence: 4square is all about location

Stephen Dixon: NB is also using LiveMeeting

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Urbanization:urban population: 80% of total population (2008)rate of urbanization: 1% annual rate of change (2005-10 est.)

laurence millar: Boradband lagging in ''the commonwealth'' (ironic wink), there is too much country and not enough people. Yay!

Brent Barron: Q: How possible is to have real meaty policy discussion within a gvmt internal wiki, given the possibliity of leaks, which may lead to a scandal?

Matthew Hall: Many of our Ministries have weekly live meeting conf calls.

VideoMinutes 2: Clickable agenda items for videos - we do that!

Jason Denizac: Any best practices for machine-readable meeting minutes formats?

David Tallan: @Brent: Here in Ontario, advice to Cabinet is v. confidential. However, ealry research and policy work not yet leading to advice documents is not so confindential

VideoMinutes 2: Video of public meetings is important. We're already doing so in several localities ... and they have clickable agenda items so you can get to the info that you want quickly

Ben Madgett: 'Hyperaccessibility' is a laudable acheivement. However, to what degree are governments raising expectations, given that they traditionally have not been 'hyper-reponsive' to citizen service requests?

jbayless@srcity.org: Moreover: almost anything is public info via FOIA in US

Matthew Hall: BC is reviewing its CorePolicy using the MindTouch wiki software

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: A lot of policy discussion is technical, not political. Geting policy to work takes a lot of nuts and bolts insight that doesn't impact poltical platforms. Political strategy will always happen elsewhere.

Stephen Collins: The matter of trust is an enormous issue. Not just gov but all business. Subject of much of my writing/speaking. And of others.

Michael Russell: What is state of knowledge capture in Canada crown agencies? Earliest SoMe projects in US included use of forums as pseudo-wikis for internal knowledge capture.

Brent Barron: great answers from the room, thanks all, it was something that I hadn't though of, but met a person who didn't use OPSpedia because of those concerns

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Excellent point!

AnupamSaraph: right!

Alon Gilad: good point!

Elena Rapisardi: a lot of discussions are focused on ''technical'' issues, but I think that OGov is mainly a cultural problem

Bob King: Absolutely agree. Trust is so important and so VERY lacking within DoD and U.S. Government

Jane Ryan: so true- that is not just for govt

laurence millar: Why should intenal government disscussions be secret? We need a more mature media and public and recognises there needs to be discussion and disagrement before we get to a conclusions - that';s what politics is about. Governments need to get less precious and more open - talking in public with integrity.

Jason Denizac: People who want the chat window bigger: double click the red window bar

Elena Rapisardi: Are we ready to change our clultural attitude?

laurence millar: 6 month lag is a good idea - I'd prefer 6 weeks

Elena Rapisardi: to change our cultural approach?

Michael Russell: clarification: Larger Q pertains to knowledge management (KM) + internal capture, silo-busting w/in agencies.

Quinn: well, even the people within those institutions don't even trust each other

Lucian Teo: @laurence millar: internal discussions are often not tweaked for communicating potentially sensitive topics.

Alon Gilad: How do you convince the managment to use wiki?

Quinn: don't think they'd welcome more trust, at one level

Kathleen Markham: there is a LOT of misunderstanding about what happens in government and you have to make sure to annotate or frame the discussions/info/data you make public.

Jaimey Walking Bear: Jason: that only works when the presenters do it (double click the top of the chat window)

Kathleen Markham: so that there is better understanding of the data/info you are looking at

Yaron Gamburg: to Alon Gilad: it takes a lot to convince a management...

Jaimey Walking Bear: You can also send questions to David @david_a_eaves

dennis podgorski: Can you set cht room so we can copy items?

Tim Minter: Thanks David

molly.vogt@greshamoregon.gov: You set a great pace, David!

James Jacobs: thansk david!

Julie Shen: Thanks David

Jack Ray: To me open gov needs to include the raw data and contextualized information.

Tish Shute: thank you it was great!

Bob King: My organization has the MISSION to determine the policy and implementation plan for the Army's milWiki. And I can't even get anyone within our organization to use the wiki for the collaborative development. They insist on using point to point email.

Antoinette Smith: @kathleen markham I would argue that is the domain of journalists if quality journalism is the ideal

Jury Konga: Q Lack of coordination among levels of government is hampering progress - what group takes the lead role in adressing the jurisdictional divide

Alon Gilad: I know:(

Connect Solutions Support: loud and clear

rtruex@peacomputing.com: Q: Hope we can have a post conference discussion are for each speaker?

Pia Waugh: I think cultural change vital for Gov 2.0, but without a strong technical basis, Gov 2.0 coudl easily become limited and redundant. @katelundy did a speech that went into some technical basics (search for Technical checklist on http://www.katelundy.com.au/2009/11/25/nicta-speech-government-2-0-co-designing-a-better-democracy/)

Connect Solutions Support: Q: questions go here

Mary Rotman: @Dennis - you should be able to ''select all'' or simply drag your mouse along to select the text in the chat room, then copy & paste it into a text doc

Matthew Hall: BC is reviewing its CorePolicy using the MindTouch wiki software

Stephen Collins: The matter of trust is an enormous issue. Not just gov but all business. Subject of much of my writing/speaking. And of others.

Michael Russell: What is state of knowledge capture in Canada crown agencies? Earliest SoMe projects in US included use of forums as pseudo-wikis for internal knowledge capture.

Brent Barron: great answers from the room, thanks all, it was something that I hadn't though of, but met a person who didn't use OPSpedia because of those concerns

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Excellent point!

AnupamSaraph: right!

Alon Gilad: good point!

Elena Rapisardi: a lot of discussions are focused on ''technical'' issues, but I think that OGov is mainly a cultural problem

Bob King: Absolutely agree. Trust is so important and so VERY lacking within DoD and U.S. Government

Jane Ryan: so true- that is not just for govt

Jason Denizac: People who want the chat window bigger: double click the red window bar

Elena Rapisardi: Are we ready to change our clultural attitude?

laurence millar: 6 month lag is a good idea - I'd prefer 6 weeks

Elena Rapisardi: to change our cultural approach?

Michael Russell: clarification: Larger Q pertains to knowledge management (KM) + internal capture, silo-busting w/in agencies.

Quinn: well, even the people within those institutions don't even trust each other

Lucian Teo: @laurence millar: internal discussions are often not tweaked for communicating potentially sensitive topics.

Alon Gilad: How do you convince the managment to use wiki?

Quinn: don't think they'd welcome more trust, at one level

Kathleen Markham: there is a LOT of misunderstanding about what happens in government and you have to make sure to annotate or frame the discussions/info/data you make public.

Jaimey Walking Bear: Jason: that only works when the presenters do it (double click the top of the chat window)

Kathleen Markham: so that there is better understanding of the data/info you are looking at

Yaron Gamburg: to Alon Gilad: it takes a lot to convince a management...

Jaimey Walking Bear: You can also send questions to David @david_a_eaves

dennis podgorski: Can you set cht room so we can copy items?

Tim Minter: Thanks David

molly.vogt@greshamoregon.gov: You set a great pace, David!

James Jacobs: thansk david!

Julie Shen: Thanks David

Jack Ray: To me open gov needs to include the raw data and contextualized information.

Tish Shute: thank you it was great!

Antoinette Smith: @kathleen markham I would argue that is the domain of journalists if quality journalism is the ideal

Jury Konga: Q Lack of coordination among levels of government is hampering progress - what group takes the lead role in adressing the jurisdictional divide

Alon Gilad: I know:(

Connect Solutions Support: loud and clear

rtruex@peacomputing.com: Q: Hope we can have a post conference discussion are for each speaker?

Connect Solutions Support: Q: questions go here

Mary Rotman: @Dennis - you should be able to ''select all'' or simply drag your mouse along to select the text in the chat room, then copy & paste it into a text doc

laurence millar: We had the most successful discussion using a wiki on the bioethics of pre-birth testing. You don;t get much more controversial than that. Open discussion does not need to be ''framed'' if we recoginse it for what it is - disucssion to reach better undrstanding. The secrecy creates power politics, not the other way round

Kathleen Markham: @Antoinette - exactally! we don't have a lot of strong journalism here and so it is easy to misconstrue stuff.

Connect Solutions Support: Joel Whitaker speaking

Erica Schlaikjer: I'd really like to learn more about open data for municipal transport and urban planning, particularly in developing countries. Anyone have any leads on this?

Mark Drapeau 2: Thanks very much for a great talk David, and for great questions - sorry we don't have time to get to them all.

Keren Adderley`: @bobking ironically, sometimes it takes an ''order'' or directive from the top to get people going

Jaimey Walking Bear: Connect with joel on Twitter @joelwhitaker

Elena Rapisardi: @pia thanks!

Marsee Henon: O'Reilly's Open Government book http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596804367/

Jaimey Walking Bear: And Joel at the USIP site http://www.usip.org/specialists/joel-whitaker

Marsee Henon: Save 40% on print books and 50% on ebooks with the discount code 4cast on purchases made directly through oreilly.com (not valid with the UK shopping cart)

Dino: gov 2.0 and cloud computing? could this be right direction regarding technology and cutting down expenses?

gila gideon: Good Evening everyone from Jerusalem. This is Gila Gideon. Yaron Gamburg is next to speak.

Mark Drapeau 2: Hello Gila! :)

Pia Waugh: @Elena NP! :) I also did a blog series you may enjoy http://pipka.org/blog/2009/07/08/gov-2-0-where-to-begin-part-1-of-3/

Merri Christi Pemberton: Hello Gila!

VideoMinutes 2: For any late comers... follow on Twitter: http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23gov20olc

gila gideon: Hi Mark- Heard a lot about you from Yaron

Quinn: odd message here, boys use guns, girls use computers

Jaimey Walking Bear: VideoMinutes: Thanks for posting that feed!

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: ''Supported by the Rotary Club in California.'' That's great!

Merri Christi Pemberton: There is a big initiative from Washington to help grow female entrepreneuership in Middle Eastern countries.

Yaron Gamburg: best regards to rotary club in california. I have good memories from you when lived in Southern Ca

Elena Rapisardi: @pia Will go through it. And contact you for further questions. If I may :)

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Background: Access to Information in the Middle East http://commons.globalintegrity.org/2009/02/for-access-to-government-information.html

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: What's the rationale for identifying ''Priority Conflicts?''

Mary Rotman: You can also get us on Twitter @gov2events

Mark Drapeau 2: Behind the Music: I am eating Starburst and drinking Coke Cherry

Michael Sauers: Giant copyright statements at the bottom of every slide is hardly ''2.0''

Mark Drapeau 2: Michael S - Joel works for a pvt org, not the govt

Jack Ray: Q I'd love to hear more about Colombia. i have lots of NGO and gov contacts there.

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: To Michael Sauers: There's a trouble-maker in every group. : )

Michael Russell: @Mark Drapeau 2 - I'm buying stock in whoever make high-fructose corn sweetener.

Michael Sauers: Just because they can, doesn't mean they should. Why not a CC license?

David Eaves: Ha! My M.Phil thesis was in Conflict Prevention Policy!

David Tallan: @Mark: I thought he said that the Institute was a product of Congress?

Quinn: does he peace building?

Mark Drapeau 2: Michael R - my teeth feel so fructosey!

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Fructose corn syrup is on the way out. See WSJ.

Michael Sauers: USIP is ''congressionally funded''

laurence millar: Think the map has south korea. Interesting geo-poliical perspective on where there is conclit. Nothin in Fiji or PNG for examnple. I guess the map would look different if drawn from a POV outside DC

Jacob: Individuals have a right to reserve copyright. For that matter, the copyright is reserved even if not stated.

Keren Adderley`: @mark feeling diabetic coma coming on!

Mark Drapeau 2: David T - I think they get funding from Congress, they have a charter. So do the Boy Scouts. It's complicated. I'm sure they're a nonprofit of some kind, they have rights. ASk him later for more.

Alexandros Pagidas: @Michael Sauers - Agree with the CC idea for the data presented.

Laurel Ruma: Taking questions for Joel. Please add a ''Q''

David Eaves: Trying to scroll through the chat room to find some questions... feel free to tweet them directly to me @david_a_eaves

Michael Russell: Great: Gov20 for post-conflict transition. Stability, stewardship, civic empowerment, etc.

AnupamSaraph: @Michael Sauers USIP=Intellectual Property?

Andrew: Q: Joel - How familiar are you with the use of video games for improving cross-cultural understanding and diplomacy?

Michael Sauers: @AnupamSaraph ;-)

Quinn: Q: do post conflict environments really have the budget and people power to do these things?

Shirley Kwan-Hui: USIP=US Institute of Peace

Michael Russell: Like USIP's bi/non-partisan approach. Transcends neocon + neolib notions.

Mark Drapeau 2: Michael R et al - yes, USIP is considered a very solid, smart, ''unbiased'' org

AnupamSaraph: @Shirley Kwan-Hui: ;)

laurence millar: Cultural chasm - You can have peace, but do it my way. Reducing Corruption starts at home.

Alexandros Pagidas: @Andrew Jane McGonigal has been working on stuff like that

Jacob: It's not actually a copyright, it seems to just states he wants citation if the material is used.

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: These r not just ''Post-conflict Challenges.'' Govt's today face same challenges.

Quinn: if i friend you on facebook, i won't hack you apart in the middle of the night with a machete?

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Tiri (an anti-corruption org) has done similar work on Post-Conflict ''curves'' re: access to information. http://www.tiri.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=153&Itemid= Of note is the work on why the ''window period'' of oppertunity so often ends in cyncism. Their suggestion is that funding pours into a government when it has the least capacity to absorb that money/resources in a useful way. The result is huge rewards to people willing to cheat, who then break the reconstruction process to maintain that gravy train. A cautionary tale to anyone droppiong servers and PCs onto a post-conflict country.

Michael Sauers: @Jacob then why not use a CC license?

Bob King: Q: Recent move to allow exporting internet services to closed societies ties in well. Did USIP have any role in that policy decision?

AnupamSaraph: What would gov 2.0 election technology look like?

Stephen Dixon: Q: Much like 3rd world leapfrogged 1st world in mobile, do you see the same thing happening with Gov2?

AnupamSaraph: mobile phone voting?

Ben Madgett: for cutting edge mVoting, see Estonia

Alexandros Pagidas: @Andrew: Here's a link to her blog: http://blog.avantgame.com/2010/02/urgent-evoke-reserve-your-spot-as.html

laurence millar: Now mGovt is a good concept. THere are now 4.7BILLION mobile phone subscripsions on the planet. Developing countries are >50% (ITU report last month)

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Anupam - what could possibly go wrong? :)

Jacob: @Michael Sauers: Good question.

Andrew: More on my Q: i.e. auto-racing game that connects US NASCAR fans and, for instance, Middle East Formula One fans?

AnupamSaraph: an EVM in your hands?

VideoMinutes 2: Jaimey Walking Bear: Yep!

Laurel Ruma: Thanks Jacob, we'll ask Joel that

Quinn: that text payment system is *cool*

AnupamSaraph: Which mobile companies are into e-voting?

Michael Russell: Great re Ushahidi, Frontline SMS in Afghanistan. Our Crisis Camp efforts for Haiti, Chile relief making extensive use of SMS, lightweight data.

krisdev: India is adopting Unqiue ID and we have proposed biometric smart card linked to a monay account as debit card and demonetizing currency for tiding over corrupton

Laurel Ruma: Any questions for Joel?

AnupamSaraph: m-voting?

Michael Sauers: @jacob, have to step away for a bit. Any chance you could pass me the answer via Twitter (@msauers)?

laurence millar: I think m-voting is a long bow - but using the mobile phone installed base as a source of information for data gathering in developing countries is a killer app

Quinn: m-voting seems like it would have really big trust issues

krisdev: @Laurel - Is biometric smart acrd a good idea to tide over corrution?

Elena Rapisardi: ushahidi is a great example. I am using it for a project on forestfires prevention

AnupamSaraph: @Quinn more than EVM's?

Kathleen Markham: @Antoinette - exactally! we don't have a lot of strong journalism here and so it is easy to misconstrue stuff.

Connect Solutions Support: Joel Whitaker speaking

Erica Schlaikjer: I'd really like to learn more about open data for municipal transport and urban planning, particularly in developing countries. Anyone have any leads on this?

Mark Drapeau 2: Thanks very much for a great talk David, and for great questions - sorry we don't have time to get to them all.

Jacob: It's not actually a copyright, it seems to just states he wants citation if the material is used.

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: These r not just ''Post-conflict Challenges.'' Govt's today face same challenges.

Quinn: if i friend you on facebook, i won't hack you apart in the middle of the night with a machete?

Michael Sauers: @Jacob then why not use a CC license?

Bob King: Q: Recent move to allow exporting internet services to closed societies ties in well. Did USIP have any role in that policy decision?

AnupamSaraph: What would gov 2.0 election technology look like?

Stephen Dixon: Q: Much like 3rd world leapfrogged 1st world in mobile, do you see the same thing happening with Gov2?

AnupamSaraph: mobile phone voting?

Ben Madgett: for cutting edge mVoting, see Estonia

Alexandros Pagidas: @Andrew: Here's a link to her blog: http://blog.avantgame.com/2010/02/urgent-evoke-reserve-your-spot-as.html

laurence millar: Now mGovt is a good concept. THere are now 4.7BILLION mobile phone subscripsions on the planet. Developing countries are >50% (ITU report last month)

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Anupam - what could possibly go wrong? :)

Jacob: @Michael Sauers: Good question.

Andrew: More on my Q: i.e. auto-racing game that connects US NASCAR fans and, for instance, Middle East Formula One fans?

AnupamSaraph: an EVM in your hands?

VideoMinutes 2: Jaimey Walking Bear: Yep!

Laurel Ruma: Thanks Jacob, we'll ask Joel that

Quinn: that text payment system is *cool*

AnupamSaraph: Which mobile companies are into e-voting?

Michael Russell: Great re Ushahidi, Frontline SMS in Afghanistan. Our Crisis Camp efforts for Haiti, Chile relief making extensive use of SMS, lightweight data.

krisdev: India is adopting Unqiue ID and we have proposed biometric smart card linked to a monay account as debit card and demonetizing currency for tiding over corrupton

Laurel Ruma: Any questions for Joel?

AnupamSaraph: m-voting?

Michael Sauers: @jacob, have to step away for a bit. Any chance you could pass me the answer via Twitter (@msauers)?

laurence millar: I think m-voting is a long bow - but using the mobile phone installed base as a source of information for data gathering in developing countries is a killer app

Quinn: m-voting seems like it would have really big trust issues

krisdev: @Laurel - Is biometric smart acrd a good idea to tide over corrution?

Elena Rapisardi: ushahidi is a great example. I am using it for a project on forestfires prevention

AnupamSaraph: @Quinn more than EVM's?

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Voicemail justice system = awesome. Link please?

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Using mobile tech to dispense justice!

krisdev: card and not acrd ... sorry for typo error

Michael Russell: Like it. Sort of like Get Satisfaction… but with AK-47's.

Marta Poblet: Q: mobile technology for conflict prevention?

Stephen Dixon: Q: How would Joel define Gov 2.0 in one sentence or paragraph?

Bob King: Anyone know how those percentages compare to the U.S. on cell phone & internet access?

AnupamSaraph: @joel what is the direction of m-identity apps?

Alexandros Pagidas: Sound is gone

Tim Bonnemann: sound?

Andrew: Did we lose sound?

Quinn: @anupamsaraph: based on people's trust level of m-payments for internal remitting, i would say yes

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Sound is there.

Michael Russell: Great, re leapfrog effect - a la Haiti, unique opportunity to start form scratch ; little/no existing infrastructure.

Kris Kasianovitz: connection just reset

Jason Denizac: lost sound after ''access the service''

Mary Rotman: Bear with us, guys -- we're working on it

Stuart Forrest: No Sopund here

Alexandros Pagidas: Sound is still gone here.

Stuart Forrest: No sound here

Brian Carver: no sound here either

Yves Larocque: no sound

James Jacobs: hi @kris kasianovitz glad to see another librarian here!

Jaimey Walking Bear: sorry folks, we're working on the sound issue

Bruce Head: A lot of these barriers also apply to no-conflict societies.

Marsee Henon: Thanks for your patience while we get the sound back up

Julie Shen: no sound

Ingrid Mifflin: no sound here either

Adrian Moss: No sound in UK - well my PC in UK

Jack Ray: no sound in Minnesota

Sherree Saperstein: no sound in la

Alon Gilad: i got no sound

April Edmonds: no sound Florida

laurence millar: There's a kind of hush....

Marc Ross: no sounds

Quinn: minnesota: the quiet state

Yves Larocque: no sound in Canada too

Wolfgang Holzmann: no sound canada

delphine gamburg: i can't hear anything. help!

Quinn: sorry, couldn't resist

@samunplugged: no sound... in India.

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: ''Sometimes Gov 2.0 is not the answer.'' Kudos to Joel for recognizing that solutions must be tailored to the environment.

Connect Solutions Support: one moment we are checking hte audio

rolope: no sound in MExico

gila gideon: Yaron Gamburg from the Israeli MFA is next to speaks join Yaron on Twitter @yarongamburg

Bxmx: Hey Wolf!

Laurel Ruma 2: ok we're working on it

Marc Ross: is there gov 2.0 without audio?

Online Conferences: Hold on everyone, we're working on the sound

Jack Ray: you betcha

Steffan Antonas 2: sound is still working via telephone

Antoinette Smith: This reminds me of asl checks

Stuart Forrest: Hi James, I am the IT guy at our library, dows that count?

Tim Minter: a tree falls in a web conference...

Shirley Kwan-Hui: no sound...is it just me? US

Antoinette Smith: Chicago no sound

Wolfgang Holzmann: hey bow

Keren Adderley`: someone just signing in will think the world has gone deaf!

delphine gamburg: who is speaking now at the conference? i am not sure i'm in the good place

Jaimey Walking Bear: We know there's no sound. We're working on fiing

Ben Madgett: Dialed in on phone- sound is fine

Jaimey Walking Bear: fixing

laurence millar: @tim winter very good

James Jacobs: Hi Stuart yes that counts ;-)

@samunplugged: no sound!

krisdev: Double @kris is dangerouns indeed!! ... ha...ha...

Andrew: phone line works?

Steffan Antonas 2: mine works

Ben Madgett: phone is ok

Andrew: give phone # again please...

dennis podgorski: Dial into 877.647.3411 code 940729

dubiner: no sound

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: @Antoinette - I'm also in Chicago.

delphine gamburg: hi dubiner, what is going on> i can't here anything

Andrew: thanks, dennis

Bob King: Q: If not already asked, can we get permission to share these slides? The Diplomacy 2.0 slide carries a powerful message.

Jaimey Walking Bear: Dial into 877.647.3411 code 940729 while we work on the other sound issues

Antoinette Smith: @jonathon On Twitter? @ant_auth

James Jacobs: phone audio is working

Tim Minter: a tree falls in a web conference...

Shirley Kwan-Hui: no sound...is it just me? US

Antoinette Smith: Chicago no sound

Wolfgang Holzmann: hey bow

Keren Adderley`: someone just signing in will think the world has gone deaf!

delphine gamburg: who is speaking now at the conference? i am not sure i'm in the good place

Jaimey Walking Bear: We know there's no sound. We're working on fiing

Ben Madgett: Dialed in on phone- sound is fine

Jaimey Walking Bear: fixing

laurence millar: @tim winter very good

James Jacobs: Hi Stuart yes that counts ;-)

@samunplugged: no sound!

krisdev: Double @kris is dangerouns indeed!! ... ha...ha...

Andrew: phone line works?

Steffan Antonas 2: mine works

Ben Madgett: phone is ok

Andrew: give phone # again please...

dennis podgorski: Dial into 877.647.3411 code 940729

dubiner: no sound

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: @Antoinette - I'm also in Chicago.

delphine gamburg: hi dubiner, what is going on> i can't here anything

Andrew: thanks, dennis

Bob King: Q: If not already asked, can we get permission to share these slides? The Diplomacy 2.0 slide carries a powerful message.

Jaimey Walking Bear: Dial into 877.647.3411 code 940729 while we work on the other sound issues

Antoinette Smith: @jonathon On Twitter? @ant_auth

James Jacobs: phone audio is working

Andrew: entered by phone now and I am good

Michael Russell: Re: ''governance w/o government.'' Beckstrom/Bronfman's ''Starfish & Spider'' applied to civil society, NOT just insurgency, terrorism. Word.

krisdev: @Anupam, in my opinion, if Biometric Smart card is used, then m-payment and m-voting should be o.k. with suitable security built-in

Jury Konga: Q How can we coordinate Gov 2 opportunities with all the non-profits that are aiding the peace, social and helath causes

Samuel Bronson: Q: What foundational elements are necessary ingredients for implementing Gov 2.0? How many countries on your map of troubled areas have those ingredients?

Andrew: old school/new school remix...so much for VOIP!

delphine gamburg: who is speaking at the conf. right now?

Jaimey Walking Bear: USIP's Joel Whitaker

Jaimey Walking Bear: is speaking right now

Robin Browne: I can't hear the audio anymore!

delphine gamburg: thanks

AnupamSaraph: @quinn ultimately it is about audit trails and receipts, is it not?

@samunplugged: no voice.

John.5555.Moore@gmail.com: Can't either, general audio issue

Bob King: @Jury From a U.S. perspective, the DoD's recent Social Media Policy should go a long way towards opening up more lines of communication.

Forest Monsen 3: Audio is fine over the teleconference

Jim Baugh: Phone Audio is working fine in US

Matthew Hall: Voip services are always hit and miss.

Andrew: you're coming through by phone

VideoMinutes 2: I can hear over the phone

Pia Waugh: Audio is fine for me too

Melissa VonHinken: phone is good! I was caller #62

Terry: we can hear you on the phone

Jaimey Walking Bear: looks like phone is the way to go Dial into 877.647.3411 code 940729

Jane Ryan: audio is FINE on phone

Geneviève Bouillon Bernier: not online though

dcortes: no sound in barcelona

Stephen Dixon: yes, can hear on phone

Andrew: I've had VOIP issues with Adobe Connect before

Maka Eradze: no sound in Georgia

delphine gamburg: no sound. somebody cab help?

Jacob: Phone count is at about 80 right now.

Andrew: bummer

Quinn: damn, can't really do phone

Boyan Jekov: no sound in Bulgaria

Laurel Ruma 2: ok folks

Julie Shen: no sound online, 2 of us watching here and I don't have a speaker phone

Joel Whitaker: OK -- good to hear that those of you on the phone could hear me all the way through!

Jacob: Phone working but online audio is silent.

Elena Rapisardi: no sound in italy

Jim Baugh: Phone limit is 110

Laurel Ruma 2: We are tyring to fix this...thanks for your patience

Kathleen Markham: they are talking about trying to fix it now

AnupamSaraph: no sound in India

Joel Whitaker: For the rest, hopefully, the recording will have captured it all

Jane Ryan: this is a good indicator of one of the CHALLENGES to Gov 2.0- technloogy problems

Andrew Scarvell 2: no sound in Australia

Jaimey Walking Bear: sorry folks. thanks for your patience while we troubleshoot the sound issues

Kathleen Markham: you aren't missing anything right now while they are looking for a fix

Laurel Ruma 2: touche Jane :)

Forest Monsen 3: @Jane Heh!

James Jacobs: Q: why is the US govt advocating use of twitter etc in places like Cuba, Iran etc but are actively attacking activists in US who are using it to for example organize around the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh?

Bob King: Still room - just got in at # 83

delphine gamburg: no sound in israel

Andrew Boyd: Good presentation, Joel, would like to see it on slideshare or elsewhere if you can swing it

Connect Solutions Support: we are checking the osund issue

Joel Whitaker: Gov 2.0 with Audio 0.0 :-)

Stephen Dixon: Interesting to see where everyone is from... all over the world?

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: @Antoinette Smith: I'm @globalintegrity (work) or @eylerwerve (not work)

Connect Solutions Support: checking the sound issue

Stephen Dixon: Anyone from Afghanistan?

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Quinn: by the time you've got too many checkins on foursquares, there's got to be many times capasity waiting there

Mark Drapeau 2: Good Q Brent

David Tallan: Q. How much do you think the difference is driven by the lack of party politicas at the municipal level?

Allison Hornery: Q for David, are other cities starting to follow innovators' lead?

David Tallan: Should be ''party politics''

Michael Russell: Great meme: Licenses that invite, not intimidate.

jbayless@srcity.org: JWB: we need to organize a North Bay Tech committee to take the lead. You interested? Santa Rosa will provide Council Chambers for discussions...

guest: Open data is accessible. And, http://www.SEMANTIFI.com is trying to making them SEARCHABLE

Bob King: Q: How close, if at all, is Canada to providing universal Internet access? (ala European model)

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: The distinction between legal performance in a licence agreement and the human impact of the same language is a good one.

Andrew Weatherby: Q: Shouldn't the format of all data being presented at local, provincial/state, and state be the same digital free format (not propriatary)?

Jaimey Walking Bear: Jake: totally. Let's talk on email or phone.

Stephen Collins: @Brent there will always be *some* form of divide. It's existence needn't be a preventing force for progress. There's an argument that the divide is shifting in some places from ''have nots'' to ''do nots''; those that choose to be disconnected for some reason. My sister is an interesting example.

Keren Adderley`: @bob, sadly we were recently rated poorly for internet accessibility because of slowness and cost

Dino: Is open source and Google Maps enough for true city GIS? How do you see this versus solutions from ESRI?

Brent Barron: @Bob King, not very, rural broadband penetration continues to be an issue

Pia Waugh: guest, yeah it is important that people ensure they build in good metadata to gov information for search, archival and importantly to contextualise the data

Matthew Hall: Not tentatively really, its gaining a lot of momemtum

Raffaella Loro: The City of Edmonton is starting to document its progress in open government on the Transforming Edmonton blog. http://www.transformingedmonton.ca/index.php/tag/opengov/

Alexandros Pagidas: Btw, the twitter list wasn't accurate, the real URL is: http://twitter.com/gov2events/gov2-olc-speakers

Bruce Head: The Government of Ontario also has an internal wiki called OPSpedia

Alexandros Pagidas: (old URL posted doesn't work)

Pia Waugh: Raffaella, we have Chris Moore in Australia atm, I'm looking forward to meeting him on Monday and chatting about Edmonton! :)

Bob King: @Karen & @Brent Thanks. Seems satellite access could benefit from same price reduction in scale as other consumer electronics.

Jaimey Walking Bear: Alexandros: Thanks for correcting. That's correct. http://twitter.com/gov2events/gov2-olc-speakers

Cheryl Hogan: I have a whole wikki based on Fed. departments and their implemented web 2.0 tools

Matthew Hall: http://twitter.com/BCGovNews

Alexandros Pagidas: Sure :)

Kevin Curry: http://wiki.openmuni.org/

Matthew Hall: http://www.youtube.com/user/GovernmentofBC

Andrea Toole: Thanks, Alexandros.

Jason Denizac: Cheryl: link?

David Tallan: OPSpedia: not just wiki: also blogging platform, professional network, social bookmarking, microblogging, user-driven news platform, etc.

Keren Adderley`: @cherylhogan: I would LOVE to get access to that?!

downtownfarm.net 2: who can help me to brain-storm an iphone app?

NahumG: Are there any specific conditions unique to Canada & not applicable to other countries?

Alexandros Pagidas: @downtwnfarm.net 2What sort of iphone app?

Bob King: @downtownfarm Drop me a line at subbob@gmail.com - in initial stages of iPhone app development myself

Keren Adderley`: @Nahum - bilingualism is one

Laurel Ruma: If you have a question for David, please put a ''Q'' in front

Jaimey Walking Bear: Nahum, FWIW, if you put a Q in front of your question, it'll help us pick it out easier.

Cheryl Hogan: I'll be sure to send it, I can't log onto to it right now for some reason!

James Jacobs: also check out Canadian data liberation initiative http://www.statcan.gc.ca/dli-ild/dli-idd-eng.htm

Andrea Toole: OPSpedia also has events function. (It's among the the ''etc.'')

Bxmx: NahumG - large geographic space, low tax base, rather restrictive privacy and information laws.

AnupamSaraph: @Nahum large country, low densities

Laurel Ruma: Question and answer will start soon

Raffaella Loro: Pia, Chris Moore has been doing amazing job in Edmonton.

laurence millar: Q Any hard information on the economic benefit of weather as open data?

James Jacobs: data liberation initiative is cooperative between statscan and libraries

guest: There is a lot of Open Data that is already accessible on the web. Are there any one actually SEARCHING these datasets like www.SEMANTIFI.com?

Michael Russell: Great pt. in re weather data. Local PA company, AccuWeather has built entire biz model for 40+ yrs. around NOAA weather data.

Quinn: does that have a relationship with britain's copyright?

downtownfarm.net 2: farmville with *real* chickens & LIDAR laser technology

Quinn: and will reform in britain affect .ca at all?

Mark Drapeau 2: Quinn - Canada is technically part of the British Commonwealth, so yes

downtownfarm.net 2: check this site for info: downtownfarm.net

Andrew Weatherby: Accuweather and WeatherChannel has been using NOAA data for years.

David Tallan: @Quinn: Certainly Ontario is playing close attention to what is happening in the UK

Jennifer Pahlka: Same scary demographics of govt employees here in the US

Alexandros Pagidas: @downtownfarm.net 2 What does this have to do with gov2.0?...

Bob King: Comment: Need to ensure open data is stripped of personal info. Example. Open data about electricity usage could lead to criminals identifying vacation patterns if able to tie to a physical address.

Paul Johnston: surely it is not called the british commonwealth any more?

Bxmx: david's twitter is @david_a_eaves

Allison Hornery: @Paul - yes, it's still called the British Commonwealth by many...

Jaimey Walking Bear: Just a reminder - official hashtag for today's event is #gov20olc

Lucian Teo: Should the data gathered by governments be already paid for by citizens through taxes?

Mike McClure: or just ''The Commonwealth'' by those of us still members

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: British Columbia.

Stephen Collins: As I noted on the tweet stream, issues seem consistent and common - some intergovernmental coop on success stories? Us-CA-UK-AU-NZ, etc.

Pia Waugh: Australia has similar issues to Canada. Crown Copyright is a hard one to tackle.

Kevin Curry: Lucian: yes; but doesn't stop them from re-charging for it

Lucian Teo: @kevin, we have the same problem here. Some pseudo-private-sector-''competence''.

Bob King: Love the line ''disruptive innovators'' - thinking many of us may resemble that description.

Eric Portelance: StatsCan does it on a cost recovery basis...

James Jacobs: would like to see a viral GNU-style license on open data so that it stays free

Alexandra Banford: Hats off to T.Kearney

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Bottom-up driven change seems to be a common theme not just here but with other Gov20 examples.

Jack Ray: How about a wiki to write a model state level open data bill?

Keren Adderley`: love that budget comment!!

jbayless@srcity.org: awesome David - thanks!

guest: does anyone have list of ''disruptive innovators''?

Alexandros Pagidas: Thanks David, loved your last point.

joshualhutchison@gmail.com: Good info, David

Jane Ryan: excellent presentation!

Cheryl Hogan: heres the link to the wikki for web 2.0 strategies http://government20bestpractices.pbworks.com/

Stephen Collins: @pia I wonder about CrownC. Hasn't NZ had some court cases addressing this that might have some relevance? Laurence?

Evgeny Styrin: Thanks, David

Matthew Hall: BC's use of Yammer is like that. no one can stop it.

Merri Christi Pemberton: Great talk! Thank you David.

Alexandra Banford: Awesome points David.. thanks.

laurence millar: NZ is proposing CC BY as default as alternative to Crown Copyright

Elena Rapisardi: thanks david. really enlightening

Cheryl Hogan: thanks david!

downtownfarm.net 2: sorry ... all these meetings at work

downtownfarm.net 2: i need to leave soon,

Lucian Teo: @laurence milar: that would be awesome.

Keren Adderley`: thanks cheryl

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Adrian Moss: Did someone only set sound at 1 hour?

Andrew Boyd: Canberra AU here

Connect Solutions Support: continue to ask questions in chat

James Jacobs: Thanks Joel interesting talk

Stephen Dixon: New Brunswick, Canada Here

Tim Bonnemann: yay!

Lucian Teo: yay sound!

AnupamSaraph: Good morning @andrew

Kathleen Markham: they're back!

Julie Shen: can hear you again

Quinn: YEAH!

Brian Carver: i've got sound!

Adrian Moss: Sound back in UK

Jason Denizac: sounds back

Andrew Boyd: Audio, woohoo :)

Andrew Scarvell 2: on again

psc: sound

Jaimey Walking Bear: Success!

Kathleen Markham: beep beep

dcortes: sound again!!

Sherree Saperstein: great

AnupamSaraph: thubs up for the techies who got the sound back!

psc: beep indeed

Forest Monsen 3: Oh my word

Alexandros Pagidas: sound!

Alexandros Pagidas: :)

Alexandra Banford: !

Robin Browne: Good here in Ottawa.

Connect Solutions Support: minor sound issue has been resolved

Yves Larocque: ;-)

Andrew: good troubleshooting...not easy to be producer in that situation

Matthew Hall: Thumbs down for the technology that is flaky

Pia Waugh: Road Runner in the house

laurence millar: ''technology is stuff that doesn't work properly'' - anyone know who first said that?

Andrew Scarvell 2: echoooo

Mary Rotman: hi guys - the beeping is people hanging up their phone lines. Thanks for your patience while we got the sound issues resolved!

Sara Peyton: Good here in Sebastopol, CA, world headquarters of O'Reilly Media. Thanks for your patience.

Mark Drapeau 2: Thanks for being patient with the tech issues.

Pia Waugh: Hey Andrew Scarvell! :)

Andrew Scarvell 2: hey Pia

Andrew Scarvell 2: !

Kevin Curry: chillax ppl

Stephen Collins: One day, we will invent a webinar solution that is open, stable and richly functional. Until then, we have Adobe Connect.

delphine gamburg: i tried the phone #. now here something.... not sure waht

David Harris: Joel - Any insight on how to avoid digital mob rule? The speed of the Internet doesn't wait for fact checking.

delphine gamburg: hear

James Jacobs: Q: can you discuss the irony of the US govt advocating use of twitter etc in places like Cuba, Iran etc but are actively attacking activists in US who are using it to for example organize around the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh?

Online Conferences: Please make sure your phone line is muted if you have dialed in.

laurence millar: @JAmes Jecobs Life is irony 2.0

James Jacobs: @Laurence Millar too true re irony

Forest Monsen 3: Can the presenters please stop resizing the chat window? Thanks.

Alexandros Pagidas: ''To vote please press 1.''

Quinn: Q: what about trust issues with mobile voting?

Stephen Collins: @james jacobs @laurence or the perception of US cultural imperialism of US bodies funding freedom and openness moves in more closed societies

Alexandros Pagidas: Estonia has been voting online for years now

Michael Russell: What, no Skype voting in *Estonia?!*

Brian Carver: Q: Vote by phone sounds like a security / fraud / coercion nightmare. How are these addressed?

Alexandros Pagidas: I saw a great talk by an Estonian representative at the Stanford European Entrepreneurship

krisdev: voting has to be monitored closely and carefully, lest the process can be subverted using mobile ohones

krisdev: hence in India electronic voting machines are used

Alexandros Pagidas: http://www.europeanentrepreneursatstanford.com/

Sherree Saperstein: very true for security issues

Andrew Boyd: A: electoral fraud is not limited to online channels.

james_b: voting the normal way always was disconcerting to me, phone or sms would make me vote

krisdev: but even these are hijacked

Sherree Saperstein: physical security

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: I would love to complete ballot online, and then verify in person. No security problems, but allows actual informed choices for downballot elections.

Bob King: @jwhitaker Thanks for the presentation and sharing specific examples of successful usage.

Pia Waugh: Is this event going to go overtime?

Samuel Bronson: I think that was using Gov 2,0 quite loosely

Jaimey Walking Bear: Joel on Twitter @joelwhitaker

krisdev: hence biometric linked electronic voting machines in secure places where people can go and vote without fear or favr

Connect Solutions Support: Yaron Gamburg is speaking now

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Pia: possible? due to the tech issues we'd had?

Michael Russell: @Jaimey Walking Bear - Thanks. Had to remind myself Joel's Twitter is Whitaker w/one ''t.''

Jonathan Eyler-Werve: Background: Israel transparency scorecard. http://www.globalintegrity.org/reports/2006/israel/scorecard.cfm

Joel Whitaker: Thanks everyone - feel free to follow up with me directly, especially if you are looking to pursue Gov 2.0 initiatives in the developing world

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Michael: No problem!

Joel Whitaker: I'm on Twitter @joelwhitaker

Quinn: wonderful talk, joel

Jaimey Walking Bear: thanks Joel!

Stephen Dixon: Thanks Joel

Jason Denizac: Thanks Joel!

Alexandros Pagidas: I found the presentation from that Estonian representative on Egov

krisdev: Joel i am interested

Bob King: What is Yaron's Twitter tag?

Stephen Dixon: Yaron's speaker is not visable

openroadmaps@gmail.com: Thank you, Joel.

Toufic Absi (@Lebanon20): Thanks Joel for talking about this very important topic.

gila gideon: We can hear you in Jerusalem but you cant hear us

Melissa VonHinken: @yarongamburg

Jaimey Walking Bear: Yaron on Twitter is @yarongamburg

krisdev: @Joel see my blog http://ll2b.blogspot.com

Bob King: @Jaiimey Thanks

krisdev: @krisdev is my Twitter

Jaimey Walking Bear: Back in 10 minutes everyone!

Pia Waugh: @Jaimey, yeah, guess we are going to be running Late. Laurel?

laurence millar: Countries on the call: US Canada Spain Brazil, Australia NEw Zealand Israel UK India Anyo ther countries present?

Michael Russell: Encourage folks to accept Joel's invite. Have found him unfailingly gracious, knowledgable and professional.

delphine gamburg: @yarongamburg on twitter

Alon Gilad: good luck Yaron

Pia Waugh: Laurence, Singapore is here

gila gideon: Connecting again

james_b: Netherlands is here

delphine gamburg: good luck yaron!

dennis podgorski: I hear you too

Pia Waugh: Cool, let's get back into it. Breaks are annoying with online conferences

Lucian Teo: hi Laurence, from Singapore here! We met at Gov2 summit last year. :)

Brian Carver: can hear Yaron now

Alexandros Pagidas: Presentation on eGovernment Initiatives in Estonia can be found here: http://www.europeanentrepreneursatstanford.com/speaker_ppts/win09/AndrusAaslaid-MicrosoftEstonia-Stanford-Mar209.pdf

laurence millar: Hi Lucian, Sorry I missed you on the rollcall

Laurel Ruma 2: Hello Toufic! so nice to see you here

delphine gamburg: Israel can hear you!

Michael Russell: Shalmon, @yarongamburg - see you in a few.

Lucian Teo: yes we see your presentation!

Stephen Dixon: yes, can see presentation

David Tallan: I see the presentation

NahumG: We ee Yaron;s presentation

Adrian Moss: UK - we can see your slides

Michael Russell: Or, *shalom,* as the case may be...

laurence millar: Singaopre get the double gold star - 2am - 5am graveyard shift

Jaimey Walking Bear: Back in just a few with Yaron everyone

Adrian Moss: Yaron - you are still live and online

Lucian Teo: lol Taiwan is here too! TSSchee

Toufic Absi (@Lebanon20): Hi Laurel. Thnk you! Glad to be here. Wonderful work you guys are doing. :)

Lucian Teo: THSchee sorry! :)

delphine gamburg: guys u are online!

Michael Russell: @yarongamburg - just correcting my previous typo error. ;^/

Lucian Teo: lol song running in my head is Animaniac's ''Nations of the World''.

Kathleen Markham: Thanks Yakko!

Laurel Ruma 2: Here are some links to open data catalogs in Canada: Edmonton: http://data.edmonton.ca/

Stuart Forrest: I had to slip out. Whats Happening?

Laurel Ruma 2: Vancouver: http://data.vancouver.ca/

Kathleen Markham: 10 min break

Laurel Ruma 2: Toronto: http://www.toronto.ca/open/index.htm

Stuart Forrest: OK

Brian Carver: @StuartForest Program starts back in 7 mins

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gila gideon: Yaron Gamburg on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/gamburg

Martin Borman: Canada should set up a national catalog of open data, like the Netrjerlands ;)

Maka Eradze: Georgia here :)

Laurel Ruma 2: Laurence, you saw Lebanon! @lebanon20

Maka Eradze: not the US state, Country Georgia

Laurel Ruma 2: Welcome Maka

Maka Eradze: thanks :)

laurence millar: THere is a global catalog of government data at http://www.guardian.co.uk/world-government-data

Laurel Ruma 2: The hashtag for this event is #gov20olc

Merri Christi Pemberton: Welcome Everyone

Stephen Dixon: @Martin - many in Canada are talking about it now

Jaimey Walking Bear: Be sure to check out Gov 2.0 Expo, coming up May 25-27 in DC. Register at gov2expo.com. Use code gxp10olw to save an extra 15%.

Jaimey Walking Bear: http://www.gov2expo.com

gila gideon: and for the bussiness guys here you can find Yaron Gamburg on Linkedin too http://il.linkedin.com/pub/yaron-gamburg/8/20/b56

Toufic Absi (@Lebanon20): @laurence millar, from Lebanon but my current location is Kuwait.

Martin Borman: @Stephen rightfully so, combined with an apsstorelike approach a central catalog has much potential

Pia Waugh: Laurel, are we going to get through everyone? We have to leave right afterwards and there's only technically 45 mins left in the programme.

Alon Gilad: Hello Toufic

David Tallan: We can hear you!

Bob King: Can't speak for all, but I'm flexible and able to continue observing if we run over.

Toufic Absi (@Lebanon20): Hi Alon :)

David Tallan: I can stay late if necessary.

Connect Solutions Support: Yaron Gamburg is speaking

Pia Waugh: Ah cool

laurence millar: Kate Lundy at 6am - that's commitment

Laurel Ruma 2: Pia we're on time here

Daniel Rosenberg: It is pronounced YaahRone

Daniel Rosenberg: Not Yarin

Laurel Ruma 2: Thanks Daniel :)

Daniel Rosenberg: No prob

Andrea Toole: Thanks, Daniel, I didn't want to say it but as a Jew with Israeli relatives... :)

Quinn: uh oh

Stephen Dixon: no slide

delphine gamburg: no presentation

Daniel Rosenberg: :)

Jaimey Walking Bear: Working on the missing slides. Thumbs up that we still have audio!

David Tallan: They were there before but are still gone.

Stephen Dixon: On the upside, pretty cool to e able to do this at all :-)

Ken Nickerson: the web based audio is skipping a bit

Dag Petter Svendsen: No slides

Stephen Dixon: there we go

Laurel Ruma 2: here we go

Dag Petter Svendsen: Slides ok

Mary Rotman: Thanks, Yaron!

David Tallan: We are back.

Ken Nickerson: yea!

Bob King: @stephen I was just thnking the same thing. It's easy to point out glitches, but to think we are all partiicipating, real-time, in a worldwide conference is quite amazing, even in 2010.

steve: yaron rocks

AnupamSaraph: well the internet is just 40 years old...

AnupamSaraph: it has done so much already!

Kevin Curry: +1 to Stephen & Bob

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Bob King: Well stated.

David Eaves: Saw there were questions in the Chat and Twitter Stream I didn't have a chance to answer so have addressed them here rather then clog up the chat channel: http://bit.ly/drmlMZ #gov20olc

AnupamSaraph: absolutely bob, its a wonder

Samuel Bronson: lost sound on phone

Cheryl Hogan: can't agree more Bob and Stephen!

Stephen Dixon: Q: will Yaron share his slides?

Jaimey Walking Bear: @David: thanks for that link!

Jaimey Walking Bear: Stephen: All preso slides will be available on the OLC site afterward

Jaimey Walking Bear: Send your questions to David Eaves offline: http://bit.ly/drmlMZ

Stephen Dixon: @Jaimey - ok thanks

Andrea Toole: Awesome. This is what missions to Israeli DON'T teach you. (Thanks, UJA.)

Andrea Toole: Can't type today... Thanks for the link David Eaves.

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Stephen - within a few days. We'll send an email to all attendees letting you know they're up.

Quinn: i'm kind of bothered by all this important stuff on facebook, being such a closed single point of failure

laurence millar: Its bahasa

Lucian Teo: Language is Bahasa Indonesia.

Bob King: Q: (I can't be the only one thinking about this question) Wondering about the recent OPSEC issue with Facebook & Israeli raid. Is that going to have repercussions on access to SNS?

Andrea Toole: Are these presentations going to be available for download?

Melissa VonHinken: @Quinn, I agree - but we have to intereact with people where they are, and people online are on Facebook more than anywhere else (that I know of)

Amy Sinclair: I was thinking the same thing Bob.

Bob King: @Andrea Yes, at http://conferences.oreilly.com/gov2online

Online Conferences: The slides will be available at the end of this event, you can download them then, or on the O'Reilly conferences site.

Elena Rapisardi: Q: In Italy politicians are on facebook, but civil servant can log into facebook from Public Administration Offices. How is it in Israel?

AnupamSaraph: @quinn there is bound to be a lot of emergent behaviour with new tech- not just about failure

Quinn: @melissa yeah, i understand. but i can be bothered :)

Lucian Teo: Facebook augments comms. The official websites are still a mainstay for info.

Michael Russell: Making static screen caps of @yarongamburg's preso as we go. I ♥ TechSmith SnagIt.

Quinn: @anupamsaraph yeah, but it gives facebook way more power than they haveinstitutional responsibility

Joel Whitaker: Yaron, I'd love to know how you're incorporating Gov 2.0 tools to engaging with the Palestinian government and people

Elena Rapisardi: Q: sorry made mistake. In Italy politicians are on facebook, but civil servants can NOT log into facebook from Public Administration Offices. How is it in Israel?

laurence millar: @joel LOL

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Lucian: Good point. The Winter Olympics used Facebook but specifically stated that their web site was ''the mother ship.''

Andrea Toole: Thanks.

Melissa VonHinken: @Bob King - very good question on OPSEC, it's an issue for anyone

Kathleen Markham: @Lucian - agreed...FB is just one delivery vehicle, but the raw needs to be on main site

Alon Gilad: In israel we can log on to facebook as you can see it's part of the work

Kathleen Markham: like the Mother Ship ref

AnupamSaraph: @quinn hmmm so also twitter, linkedin google....

Keren Adderley`: @bobking I was also just thinking about that incident

delphine gamburg: Elena- civil servants can log into facebook, twitter... etc independently

Michael Russell: @Joel - Excellent Q. How is Israel using SoMe to engage + also respond to Goldstone, etc.

Andrew: NL has a great Ning network as well: http://ambtenaar20.ning.com/

keren sasson: The personal training bureu in the minisrty of foreign affairs:

Elena Rapisardi: sorry but I have some sound problems. can not hear everything

gila gideon: Social network for government employees in Israel http://ovdeimedina.ning.com/

AnupamSaraph: @james guess linkedin groups is more populated with civil servants than other social networks?

keren sasson: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jerusalem-Israel/tybt-hhdrkh-sl-msrd-hw/161614431995?ref=ts

Andrew: Nice thing about Ambtenaar 2.0 in NL is the translation option at the bottom of page.

Michael Russell: Great - referencing #RitaJKing + @Josholalia's work w/public diplomacy, education virtual worlds.

Andrew Boyd: There can be no change without training :)

Joel Whitaker: Interesting that the Foreign Ministry has a Web site in Arabic now

Alon Gilad: @alexnadra we would like to create in wiki all the written consular and internal Policies that today are written in word

Bob King: @Andrew Great point! We change guns, we train. We change vehicles, we train. We introduce new software, we expect people to learn as they go.

Joel Whitaker: Yaron, are you learning interesting things from the comments on the Arabic FM Facebook site?

keren sasson: Cool video!!!

Pia Waugh: No sound

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: I definitely have to read ''Start Up Nation.''

Alexandra Banford: LOL.. that's great.

Andrea Toole: http://ovdeimedina.ning.com/ looks really good.

Forest Monsen: No sound over the phone

Alex Gafny: :-)

Lucian Teo: lol looks like the Office.

Kevin Curry: can't hear

Forest Monsen: @Lucian :)

Juliann 2: We can't hear over the phone.

Alex Gafny: thx, Andrea.

Online Conferences: on your computer, turn up the volume

Andrea Toole: Blank screen for me.

Kris Kasianovitz: has anybody started discussing what should be archived in the Gov 2.0 world?

Stephen Dixon: I can hear online

Terry: I can

Connect Solutions Support: There is no sound over the phone

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: I can see and hear the video.

Brian Carver: can hear it fine over computer

Antoinette Smith 2: I can hear in Chicago

David Tallan: I can hear it.

Alexandra Banford: I have sound

Robin Browne: I can hear it.

Jim Baugh: I hear it fine

Jay Baker: can hear it online

Geneviève Bouillon Bernier: i can hear in canada

David Harris: Ok online.

Connect Solutions Support: the sound is only over your computer

Michael Russell: Audio good here

Daniel Rosenberg: I can hear

steve: online was fine

Jaimey Walking Bear: The video sound is only over the computer

Maryse Harvey: I can hear it fine

Kathleen Markham: and the video is stalling as it streams

Kevin Curry: unmuting online; can hear it there

chain Banwait: no problem here

James Jacobs: good question Kris Kasianovitz re archiving of gov2.0 content

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: A ''Behind the Gov 2.0 Music'' video.....

Samuel Bronson: Surreal

Kathleen Markham: so no sound right now as it catches up

Andrew: @KrisKasianovitz - Archiving in Gov 2.0: http://www.govloop.com/profiles/blogs/archiving-social-media

Alexandra Banford: :)

AnupamSaraph: @kris the big question is how many platforms/sites will be available 10 years from now to retrive data?

Stephen Dixon: Yes We Can :-)

Stuart Forrest: I cant see the video here

Andrew Boyd: @Kris I responded but not sure it got through

Kevin Curry: that was great!

Pia Waugh: @Kris actually we are looking at that. Both in terms of new data generated, and appending proper metadata to old data for archiving as well as the considerations around permissive copyrights and open standards for sustainable access to archives

Andrew Scarvell: no video!\

Bob King: @Kris DASD Price Floyd (U.S.) discussed Gov 2.0 & recordkeeping in the blogger's roundtable. Transcript at http://www.defenselink.mil/Blog_files/Blog_assets/20100301_Floyd_transcript.pdf

Kris Kasianovitz: @Pia where are you?

Andrew: @kris that link I shared is a list of what's going on related to archiving

laurence millar: @ Maybe Yaron could post a link to the video

proyector@gmail.com: could not see it here

Andrea Toole: I can't hear or see

Andrea Toole: Now I can see on my Mac but not my PC.

Kris Kasianovitz: @Andrew thanks! my email in case anyone else wants to send information is uclagovinfolibrarian@gmail.com

Andrew: @Bob I'll add that to the list on GovLoop blog...good stuff

Jaimey Walking Bear: The video will also be included in the presentation slides we post, in case you had slide or audio issues

Pia Waugh: @Kris I'm in Australia, Senator Lundy (speaking next) is my boss :) I'm her ICT policy advisor (and a few other things ;)

Kathryn Barrett 2: Great video!

gila gideon: We dont have the link at the moment but check out Yaron`s twitter later on

keren sasson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iumcam0Lax8

Alon Gilad: This course was an eye opener for its participants

keren sasson: Link to Yaron's video

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Karen thanks for posting that link!

keren sasson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iumcam0Lax8

delphine gamburg: thanks Keren!

Jaimey Walking Bear: sorry - Keren!

Andrew Boyd: Thanks Yaron

Jaimey Walking Bear: typo

James Jacobs: @bob king thanks for transcript

gila gideon: Thanks Keren

openroadmaps@gmail.com: Thanks, Yaron. Great presentation and video!

laurence millar: Great - the video connects with senior managers

Elena Rapisardi: Thanks Yaron

sanchezjb@attglobal.net 2: Mark, check out ''Start Up Nation.'' Lots of review avail online.

Laurel Ruma: Reach out to Yaron on Twitter: @yarongamburg

David Tallan: Q How does the different language/alphabet affect the use of social media sites by Israelis and the use of these sites by the government in engaging with them.

Jaimey Walking Bear: We'll also be posting the whole chat transcript to the Gov 2.0 OLC site afterward

AnupamSaraph: lot of developing nations are underserved by govts- that is a great opportunity for gov 2.0 disruption

Alon Gilad: @David The government tries to provide service in few languges Hebrew, Russian, Amaharic and of course Arabic

Jaimey Walking Bear: Thanks very much Yaron!

delphine gamburg: @David - most of israelis use facebook, twitter etc in english

Jane Ryan: @Kris=-- contact Peter Brantley at the Internet Archive

AnupamSaraph: @jane they only archive the static pages- what about dynamic content?

Samuel Bronson: There are several open source social networking templates that look and feel like Facebook

Bob King: @JamesJacobs Welcome. Great insights as to the spirit and intent behind the policy.

Andrew Scarvell: My Thai wife & most of her friends use facebook in Thai, but email in English

Samuel Bronson: Nasa has one called ''Spacebook''

Quinn: yeah, the iphone censorship controversies really are a strong reminder of the problems here

Alon Gilad: facebook is one of our tools

James Jacobs: @Kris internet archive is involved in .gov harvests along with library of congress and others. you should also check out LC's NDIIPP and IIPC http://www.netpreserve.org/about/index.php and http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/

Kris Kasianovitz: @Bob thanks for the transcript! just opened it

Andrew Scarvell: With google translator, my Aussie friends can participate

Jacob Kobi Gamliel: Hi All @ipolitics

Andrew Scarvell: kind-or

AnupamSaraph: many corporates in India are developing thier own enterprise-wide social-networking platforms for thier intra net

Andrew Scarvell: kind-of

Kris Kasianovitz: @James, thanks. I'm aware of those two. I'm curious what other countries who are using these social networking and gov 2.0 tools are doing

Andrew Boyd: @Andrew we speak English here in AU too :)

Samuel Bronson: Yes, Anupam, that is the new trend in US as well

Pia Waugh: @Andrew Boyd, yeah, sorta ;)

Andrew Scarvell: @kris - I see Thais using online social media a lot, and in their own language

Lucian Teo: Don't know about the rest of you guys, but everytime the gov tries to build something similar, it usually sucks.

Andrew Boyd: @piawaugh lol :)

Jacob Kobi Gamliel: Nice to meet you all i'm working on my Phd these days in exploring the use of Politics in Social Media

James Jacobs: I'm also working on LOCKSS USDOCS project Lots of Copies Keep Stuff Safe! http://lockss.org/lockss/Government_Documents_PLN

Andrew Scarvell: @andrew boyd Im talking about aussies participating in Thai language conversation using translators

James Jacobs: it's important that govt preserve digital content but more important that non-.gov groups are involved for transparency and protection of gov content

Pia Waugh: BTW all, you can Tweet @katelundy directly, and check out her work on the website http://katelundy.com.au/

downtownfarm.net: i am back ... what happpened?

Kris Kasianovitz: @James is that a private lockss network?

laurence millar: @lucian I agree. govts should use utilities that are uinivesal rather than builgins your own

gila gideon: Israel does not relay on Facebook but happy to use it as long as it is there

Bob King: @downtownfarm Abosoutely nothing, they put it all on hold until you returned. Glad we can restart now. :)

Andrew Boyd: @Andrew How do you find machine translation? It's not good enough yet for us to rely on it for the heavy legalese.

James Jacobs: @kris yes it's a private lockss network. anyone in the lockss alliance can join. contact me at jrjacobs@stanford.edu

Andrew: Gov 2.0 Club on GovLoop conversation ''defining Gov 2.0'': http://www.govloop.com/group/government20club

Andrew Scarvell: @andrewboyd translators are a bit hit and miss. They cxan give a egneral idea about the conversation, but miss nuances

Andrew: @Andrew Boyd - @Davied on Twitter added the translation feature to Ambtenaar 2.0, I believe...best situated to answer your Q

AnupamSaraph: @james what about the hardware and software to access the data? is that kept in multiple copies too? Are the archives tested for fidelity periodically?

James Jacobs: thanks Yaron

Julie Shen: Thanks Yaron

Kris Kasianovitz: @Andrew I just signed up for GovLoop! Waiting confirmation

Alon Gilad: אתה תותח!

Keren Adderley`: lost sound again

James Jacobs: @AnupamSaraph yes LOCKSS are distributed P2P archives

Connect Solutions Support: one moment we are starting the sound

Connect Solutions Support: be patient

Jaimey Walking Bear: you can Tweet @katelundy directly, and check out her work on the website http://katelundy.com.au/

Jaimey Walking Bear: back!

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: Sound back.

VideoMinutes: audio is back

Bob King: Yaron - Thanks for the great presentation and sharing how Israel is using those the Gov 2.0 tools.

Stephen Dixon: sond back

Kris Kasianovitz: Thanks Yaron

steve: strong work yaron...keep up the awesomeness

Alexandra Banford: Thanks Yaron - that was very interesting and informative. Much appreciated.

Alexandra Banford: Sound on.

Andrew Boyd: Good morning @katelundy :)

laurence millar: Big ups for Senator Kate Lundy at 6am local time in Australia

Jury Konga: Thanks Yaron - Steve it's time for GovLoop Earth !

Stephen Collins: Kate is *my* local Senator. Proud to have her.

downtownfarm.net 2: i like her accent ... (-:

Mark Drapeau 2: Our international speakers are hardcore! What a great event, everyone

Keren Adderley`: spent a year in Oz, nice to hear that accent again

Stuart Forrest: Same here

Kris Kasianovitz: AU is doing a lot of great work in this area - I'm glad Senator Lundy is presenting!

Connect Solutions Support: Kate Lundy is now speaking

delphine gamburg: thanks yaron! the next DEV-COM (development communicators- OECD) will be held in Israel next May, focuses on Developembt 2.0

Yaron Gamburg: thank yo for all of you. I am humbled to be with you. It was AWESOME!

Stephen Collins: I think there are about 6 Aussies here. We all have that sexy accent. And we're all hard core. Up since 4AM for this!

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Yaron - so grateful you could be part of this OLC!

Mark Drapeau 2: Thanks Yaron!

Yaron Gamburg: By the way, Israel hosts OECD Development Forum and we'll talk about Dev 2.0

Allison Hornery: Although the accent is a bit croaky at this hour :-)

AnupamSaraph: @stephen I'm in India and its 12:30 here!

Kathryn Barrett: Thank you, Yaron. Loved the video!

Jaimey Walking Bear: @katelundy is also confirmed as a featured speaker at Gov 2.0 Expo this May

Andrew: Another gov social network (on Ning) for Australians: http://apsozloop.ning.com/

Andrew: Nice job, @Yaron

Laurel Ruma 2: If you have any questions for Sen. Lundy, please send them along ''Q''

Jane Ryan: digital textbook discussion at http://toc.oreilly.com/2010/02/toc-preview-the-future-of-digi.html

Jacob Kobi Gamliel: Please follow me and we continue our discussion on twitter @ipolitics or facebook http://www.facebook.com/kobig

Andrea Toole: Fantastic. (Laptops for students.)

Stephen Collins: There are major Prof dev and openness issues around the computers in schools policy. Not an issue for here, but something for discussion. And not something Kate has any control over. Closed attitudes in education bureaucracies.

Jaimey Walking Bear: She'll also be part of a panel discussing Gov2 2.0 in Australia http://bit.ly/9ZOSUQ

Jacob Kobi Gamliel: sorry for a bed link, please share your thought with me, i need gov2.0 people to assist with my Phd http://www.facebook.com/kobig

Joel Whitaker: I love that term: ''enable citizens to co-design government''

Bob King: Q: For Senator Lundy, how receptive is the Australian defence forces to embracing and using Gov 2.0? Are they also facing access restrictions and cultural reticence to non-hierarchical collaboration?

Kate Lundy: http://mappingouranzacs.naa.gov.au/

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: Q: Can you pls elaborate on ''co-design government?'' Depending on how it is used, that can mean alot.

Jury Konga: Co-design governement needs some real political leaders!

Peter Kaminski: ANZAC = Australian and New Zealand Army Corps

Stephen Collins: @Bob King military here is coming along. Some more than others. Less ahead than US but, for example, Navy web site runs on Wikipedia.

Melissa VonHinken: @Peter - thanks! I was wondering what ANZAC stood for

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: Copy of ''Public Sphere 2'' paper?

Kate Lundy: Public Sphere on Gov 2.0 information here http://www.katelundy.com.au/category/campaigns/publicsphere/open-gov/

Kevin Mayall: http://www.katelundy.com.au/2009/05/29/public-sphere-2-open-government-policy-and-practice/

laurence millar: Public sphere is at http://bit.ly/AGeIf

Stephen Dixon: @Jury... this is very topical :-)

Stephen Collins: As a participant in Kate's Public Sphere events, can I say they were an amazing and very open project that should set the standard.

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: Thank you.

Kris Kasianovitz: thanks for the public sphere links

Andrew Boyd: @sanchez and see http://gov2.net.au/ for some of the outputs

steve: can you embed adobe connect and presentations like this?

Allison Hornery: Ditto to Stephen's comments, Public Sphere events (and the community/momentum they created) have been fantastic

steve: would be cool to embed this across the web so could watch on another channels

Juan Iribarne: similar to some visualizations available at many-eyes.com (public sphere i mean)

steve: could see gov doing this for calls and discussions

James Jacobs: would be a great idea for conf organizers to pull out all the urls in the chat stream

Laurel Ruma 2: Cool data vis!

Laurel Ruma 2: James, the chat will be available after the conference

James Jacobs: thanks @Laurel

Kate Lundy: Data/relationship analysis from the Gov 2.0 Public Sphere at http://www.palantirtech.com/government/analysis-blog/public_sphere

Bob King: All can copoy & save chat text as well - CTRL-A or Right Click->Select All. You have to do it frequently as buffer is limited.

Keren Adderley`: lost sound

Stephen Dixon: lost sound

Stuart Forrest: lost sound

Alexandra Banford: ditto

Julie Shen: no sound online

Kris Kasianovitz: ditto

VideoMinutes: connection just reset, but no sound

Mary Rotman: Thanks, guys -- we're on it.

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: No sound here.

Connect Solutions Support: one moment please

Connect Solutions Support: all better now

Stephen Dixon: sound back

VideoMinutes: sound is back

Kate Lundy 2: http://mashupaustralia.org and http://govhack.org

Michael Russell: Whoops. Acoustically challenged... ah, now we're back.

Andrew: Australia rocks! Really out in front of Gov 2.0...if were Olympics, top contenders for the gold :-)

AnupamSaraph: that's why technology is sound :)

Mark Drapeau 2: Tip: Have government hackathons during cyberterror alerts to get free press :)

Andrew Boyd: @Andrew we're good at talking about it - now we need to get the work done (and we're working on it) :)

Laurel Ruma 2: Does anyone have any questions for the Senator?

Andrew Scarvell: @andrewboyd yes, yes as always ...

Jane Ryan: what were the negative consequences, if any? was there any concern about recovering costs?

Kate Lundy 2: The Australian Gov 2.0 Taskforce is at http://gov2.net.au/ and the report at http://gov2.net.au/report/

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: Laurel: Submitted a question earlier with ''Q:'' at the front.

Keren Adderley`: Q: as a politician, how did you get comfortable with the criticism or non-constructive comments that come with SoMe

Kris Kasianovitz: Q: do you have open government/transparency laws that help set the policy guidelines for 2.0?

Jury Konga: Q Leadership and corporate culture are key to moving forward - what are the key reasons you've been able to move forward so quickly

Kathleen Markham: recovering costs? why can't such initiatives be just administrative costs? like buying paper?

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: Q: Can you pls elaborate on ''co-design government?'' Depending on how it is used, that can mean alot.

Kris Kasianovitz: @Jury - good question!

Stephen Dixon: Q: What is primary arguement for allowing social networking in a government agency? Say in a sentence or paragraph.

Kathleen Markham: or is ROI...understanding the returns and efficiencies of 2.0 initiatives are in the government?

Adrian Moss: At recent UK local Govt conference asked how many worked in councils that banned social media access - 75% banned access. Long way to go.

laurence millar: why allow social networking? => why allow telephones?

Stephen Dixon: Maybe that was the answers... governments don't want to be on the ''outside''

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: Q: Additionally, was there any pushback or resistance to the phrase ''co-design government?''

Jane Ryan: @Kathleen: yes, ROI

Stephen Dixon: @laurence, lol, good point... I have used same/similar point went promoting instant messaging here at my agency

laurence millar: Well Done Kate (and Pia)

Andrew Boyd: We are all grateful for @piawaugh

Dave: good presentation

AnupamSaraph: Q Is social networking simplifying gov?

Bob King: Thank you for the presentation and sharing examples of initiatives in Australia.

Jaimey Walking Bear: http://gov2expo.com

Lucian Teo: lol the shift from Aussie accent to US accent froze my brain for a split second.

Andrew Boyd: Thanks Kate, good presentation

Andrew Scarvell: We know who Kate is talking about in the Australian community, and many of you are here now (thanks)

Joel Whitaker: Terrific presentation, Sen. Lundy

Jane Ryan: nice presentation, thanks!

Kris Kasianovitz: Thank you for a great presentation

Marsee Henon: Use code gxp10olw to save 15% off the conference pricing.

Kathleen Markham: @Jane...just making sure! :)

David Harris: Q: Did Public Sphere reveal any lessons about the critical success factors for constructive policy dialogue online?

Samuel Bronson: Q: How big a problem do you envision Gov 2.0 policy forums being given the fact that the Web allows for multiple hidden identities. Cannot organized special interest groups highjack the dialogue if they feel it will lead to influence?

Stephen Collins: @Andrew I think ''grateful'' barely scratches the surface. @piawaugh is worth her weight in gold.

steve: i like this - laurence millar: why allow social networking? => why allow telephones?

Kathleen Markham: great question Samuel

Andrew: What's nice about ''co-design'' is that it's not about ''power'' - it's about creativity...reminds me Daniel Pink's vision for our future in ''A Whole New Mind''

Jaimey Walking Bear: Gov 2.0 Expo session feat. Senator Lundy that @Laurel mentioned http://www.gov2expo.com/gov2expo2010/public/schedule/detail/12977

Helder Gonçalves: but you always can authenticate each person with id

laurence millar: REading the questions, I keep thinking - what happens now? For example '' Cannot organized special interest groups highjack the dialogue if they feel it will lead to influence'' Isn't there a lobbying industry already in place - and 2.0 just reduces the barrier to entry.

Samuel Bronson: One person can have 10, 20, plus ids

Helder Gonçalves: at Portugal we have an pin in the ID to use with government at Web

Samuel Bronson: Only email is used to authenticate. Multiple email accounts means multiple ids

Stephen Dixon: << has 6 ID's

Stephen Dixon: << has 6 emails

Bob King: @samuel's question is good lead in to OpenID tied in to Gov concept

laurence millar: NZ poicy recoginses the right for individual to have multiple IDs

Kathleen Markham: @laurence - ''lobbying industry'' I guess the other side of this arguement is that 2.0 allows for a broader representation! not just those who have lobbyists

Stephen Dixon: @Bob King - good point

AnupamSaraph: Q What are the 3 key things you look at each e-gov or m-gov program to accomplish that could not be done before?

Adrian Moss: Sound gone?

Julie Shen: sound online is fine

Andrew Boyd: Still have sound here

Connect Solutions Support: sound online is broadcasting

Samuel Bronson: Kathleen, that is true, although the digital divide favors certain groups

Kathleen Markham: yes...but I also know that homeless people have email accounts! so if people WANT to participate, they will find a way.

laurence millar: I agree with Kate - you need the political support and the ground troops with energy innovation and commitment (both in government and in the community). All innovators need thick skins

Helder Gonçalves: Sound ok to Portugal

Stephen Collins: Don't anyone think us Aussies are way ahead on Gov2.0. Kate and others have helped us make measurable inroads, but we still have all the same issues everyone else does. But we're getting there and it's challenging and fun to be involved.

Stephen Dixon: << wishes more elected officials had Senator Lundy's open minded attitude!

Kathleen Markham: if gov 2.0 allows people to feel that they really have an effective voice, perhaps they will be drawn to participate

Jury Konga: Q What's the political ''business case'' for Gov 2.0?

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Stephen - +1

Samuel Bronson: Interesting to see where it goes, for sure.

Jaimey Walking Bear: Thank You @katelundy and @piawaugh!

Keren Adderley`: Q: has Kate written any papers on the topic of why/how politicians can get involved in social media that she would like to share with Canadian politicians?

AnupamSaraph: @Kathleen social networking is peoples participation- people are to good governance as they were in Gandhi's satyagraha

laurence millar: We need a way of giving applause in these on-line events

Mary Rotman: @KateLundy

Jaimey Walking Bear: Sen. Lundy on Twitter @katelundy

Stephen Collins: @katelundy's shout for breakfast for us Aussies!

Antoinette Smith: *clap clap clap*

Andrew Scarvell: @piawaugh and @piawaugh & @kalelundy do operate well as a team.

Lucian Teo: yes mark we can hear you

Stephen Dixon: yes hear you, but feedback loop also

Kathleen Markham: there is a status that you can set as Applause

Mary Rotman: @Laurence - you can actually set your status to ''applause'' when the attendee list is showing!

jbayless@srcity.org: hear you - feedback fading

Kathleen Markham: little blue guy at the bottom

Jury Konga: Senator - Awesome presentation. Congrats on your work!

Pia Waugh: @Stephen Collins: it is important to maintain some perspective that we have a way to go, but we should also celebrate our successes without the obligatory culture cringe. Have some pride :P

Connect Solutions Support: Dominic Campbell is now speaking

Keren Adderley`: Q: hoping Kate's staff might answer outstanding questions in chat!

laurence millar: Have set myself to Applause, but it's not the same as a standing ovation

Keren Adderley`: way better

Connect Solutions Support: all good

Kathleen Markham: applause for the robots!

Andrew Boyd: Welcome @dominiccampbell

steve: applause for the use of the word ''brilliant''

Andrew: Woot! Dominic Campbell = one of my favorite Gov 2.0 advocates!

Andrew Scarvell: @piawaugh RT that

Stephen Collins: @pia I am immensely proud of how far we've come. Especially with yours and Kate's help. But pragmatic view that we're only part way along a journe

Adrian Moss 2: Dom - Earl Grey or Breakfast?

Andrew Scarvell: @trib it is a long road ...

Andrew Boyd: @piawaugh @trib we're definitely working on it. One day we'll be able to blog about it.

Kathleen Markham: LOL!

Pia Waugh: Yeah, but your earlier comment was more ''woah woah everyone, we're not that good'', well actually some of the stuff happening in Australia (particularly in some of the agencies) IS world leading.

sanchezjb@attglobal.net: Nobody's going to challenge ''Digital Engagement'' over ''Gov 2.0?'' :)

laurence millar: @pia yes, public sphere in particular is world leading - walking the talk

Joel Whitaker: I find that Australian IT professionals are generally self-deprecating, when in fact they are quite cutting edge!

Tim Bonnemann: digital engagement has a history that is actually quite a bit older than Gov 2.0

Tim Bonnemann: just FYI

Andrew Boyd: @Joel we're too polite to blow our own horns. Mostly.

Andrew Scarvell: @joel that is to do with 'cultural cringe' I think

Andrew Scarvell: and modesty

Stephen Collins: @pia oh no, I wouldn't want anyone to think that. What we are achieving here is beyond awesome. Just a way to go and so many influencing factors.

Pia Waugh: Thanks Laurence, the funny thing is for all the effort they have taken, they aren't all that hard to do. Low tech and easy is always a winner :)

laurence millar: In NZ we called it eParticipation http://bit.ly/97BP2w

Andrew Boyd: @piawaugh the hard bit will always be the cultural shift - the tech should be easy :)

Laurel Ruma 2: Has anyone recorded the entire chat session? Please email me: laurel@oreilly.com

Laurel Ruma 2: Bob King?

Stephen Collins: @andrew boyd how long have we been saying *that*, re culture?

Pia Waugh: The Power of Information Task Force report is awesome, a great influence for the Australian Gov 2.0 Taskforce. Great stuff happening in the UK! Thanks!

Kathleen Markham: you and Al Gore!

Bob King: Q: Time permitting, same question I asked earlier regarding Australian Defence Forces. How accessible are the various digital services within the UK's military?

Andrew Boyd: @trib a long time

Bob King: @Laurel I have quite a bit of it. I think I missed some between 1245 and 1315 EST.

laurence millar: And William Perrin as an early internal agitator

Laurel Ruma 2: @Bob OK, would love to have what you managed to save

Pia Waugh: William Perrin is great. Also Tom Watson was great political leadership for this stuff :)

Mark Drapeau 2: Don't ever make fun of the goverati

Michael Russell: Liking: @DominicCampbell's idea of #Gov20 as openness to outside agents-of-influence, not just introspective, web-enabled navel gazing.

Jaimey Walking Bear: Thanks @Bob!

Stephen Collins: It will be interesting to see how much of David Cameron's professed vision for a connected UK (from TED 2010) makes it to reality when he is elected (prediction).

Bob King: @Laurel On its way. Here's a ''silly'' suggestion. Perhaps we could set up a ''wiki'' site where others could contribute anything they saved... :)

Laura: here now! @org9 @canadianpolice

laurence millar: silicon roundabout - lol

Laurel Ruma 2: @bob a wiki would be great...are you volunteering?

Keren Adderley`: lost voice

Peter Smith 2: sound gone?

VideoMinutes: audio gone

Alexandros Pagidas: yeap sound gone

Jaimey Walking Bear: working on it

Stuart Forrest\: sound gone

Laura: me too - sound gone

Jaimey Walking Bear: thanks for your patience

Ingrid Mifflin: no sound

Connect Solutions Support: one moment

Laura: k Jaimey

Mary Rotman: hi Dominic - could you pause? We're working on getting the sound back

Laura: :)

Connect Solutions Support: we are addressing the sound issue

Jas Phua: yep sound back

Bob King: *slaps head* Walked right into that one. I'll never learn.

laurence millar: In NZ, we have ''silicon shoebox'' :)

Alexandros Pagidas: yes

Jaimey Walking Bear: back!

Laura: yes

Antoinette Smith: Hooray for Bob!

VideoMinutes: sound is back

Stephen Dixon: yes can hear

Adrian Moss 2: Back with echo

Stephen Collins: And it's 0645 in Canberra (Australia) where I need to wake my family for school and work. Thanks all, great stuff!

Connect Solutions Support: all better now

Michael Russell: @BobKing - Check out http://crisiscommons.org for wiki containing crowdsourced stuff, contributed after conference calls.

Bob King: Thanks Michael.

VideoMinutes: Follow the Twitter conversation w/ #gov20olc http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23gov20olc

Laura: Dominic - maybe intro whats happening w/ ''mypolice'' as example of what to avoid...ie: collab instead of usurp of innovation..

Jaimey Walking Bear: Thanks again for the feed link @Video!

VideoMinutes: Yep yep!

Michael Russell: @Laurence Millar - Where's NZ's ''silicon shoebox?'' Auckland? Wellington? Hobbiton?

Laura: Thats great! #locgov creating apps for their own engagement

Pia Waugh: Oh, and a huge shout out to Andrew Stott in the UK who is also awesome!

Laura: excellent to hear!

laurence millar: Wellington

Michael Russell: Ah. makes sense. Outgrowth of Govt, activity from the ''beehive'' - or unrelated factors re Wellington?

David Tallan: So many examples, so little time. Can't wait to go back and explore these. e.g. Love the Rewired State idea.

Quinn: what is the new estimated end time for the conf?

Laura: Facebook will run up against privacy laws in UK/Cnd regarding sex offenders

Laura: yay! My POLICE!!!

Laura: I mean the inno camp one!

AnupamSaraph: who else is going to speak?

Online Conferences: This is the last speaker.

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Anupam - Dominic is the final speaker

laurence millar: @michael A bit of both - closer geek community/open source and weta workshops all in Wellington, as well as beehive

Laura: learning curve...

AnupamSaraph: @jaimey thanks!

AnupamSaraph: it's 1:25 AM here- time to say goodnight!

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Quinn - 10 - 15 minutes or so?

Melissa VonHinken: i love the summary!

Laura: haha!

laurence millar: nice one dominic

VideoMinutes: Q: How does video play a role w/ open government in the UK?

Laura: nice lil' lego man

Andrew Boyd: Thanks @dominiccampbell - good presentation

Laurel Ruma 2: Thank you everyone! Sleep tight...or have a great day!

Mary Rotman: You can find all of the links Dominic mentioned in his talk here: http://delicious.com/Dominic_Campbell/globallocal

Michael Russell: @Laurence - Thanks. Long-time admirer of Kiwi innovation, intrepidity.

Laura: he needs a wee shave

Jury Konga: Q What are the new ways of funding you've developed?

Online Conferences: If you like, you can download the slides from the box in the lower right

Pia Waugh: We'll be sending a new set of slides with more links in them

Laura: Thank you for hosting this - even though i was very late :(

Quinn: @jaimey thanks

Allison Hornery: Yes, Oz SI Camp was last weekend - great experience, and really focused on fast-tracking social solutions

AnupamSaraph: thanks for the interesting spectrum from australia to canada!

Yaron Gamburg: thank you to all participants! the issue is important and its great to see people around the globe who joined the conference

AnupamSaraph: would have loved to hear some china, hk, thailand, india too

Jaimey Walking Bear: Just a reminder, we'll also be posting the presentation slides to http://conferences.oreilly.com/gov2olc

Andrew Boyd: Open Govt may be enabled by Gov20 but is not the result of it, nor are they the same thing at all IMO

Laura: Jaimey - thank you for your work today

Laura: :)

Pia Waugh: Laurence: Agree with Michael Russell, you guys are doing great stuff too :) I'm sure I've mentioned this but I've been a long term fan of your work over the years :)

Stephen Dixon: Gov2.0 - shorthand for ''everything''... I agree!

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Laura - Thanks - it's really a group effort

Stephen Collins: Someone posted an Web 2.0 Expo deal code earlier. Can we see that again, please?

VideoMinutes: Use the discount code 4CAST to save 40% on your book purchase from O'Reilly

laurence millar: Thanks to everyone for the energy and excitement today. Now off to deal with Friday...

Marsee Henon: O'Reilly's Open Government book http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596804367/

VideoMinutes: (I found that on the bottom left corner on this screen ... someone else must have posted it earlier)

Laura: G2G geeks2geeks

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Stephen: 15% Gov 2.0 Expo discount with gxp10olw

Bob King: Mark is that http://expertlabs.org/

Pia Waugh: There are plenty of geeks, just look for them in the Open Source community :) They come pre-prepared with openness hardwired ;)

Alexandros Pagidas: @Pia haha :)

Allison Hornery: I think it's about expanding what we mean by geek :-)

Kris Kasianovitz: there will always be geeks a-plenty

Stephen Collins: Thanks Jaimey. Much appreciated.

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Stephen - just clarifying - that's the Gov 2.0 Expo discount, not Web 2.0 Expo

Andrew Boyd: @piawaugh openness and lateral thinking. Good combination

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Stephen - No problem! :-)

Kathleen Markham: the key is how you coordinate them effectively and integrate their work properly with an eye to long range planning

Pia Waugh: We must however ensure that geek skills (particuylarly openness, online collab and hacking skillz) are taught at schools to get the talent pool growing, and to get the skills into all industries, not just ICT

Stephen Collins: Like Pia said - geeks in OSS community. Plus those of us with kids have a responsibility to breed our own to replace us. My 12yo is definitely geeky (she's like the new Barbie).

Kathleen Markham: true...education is not keeping up with the speed of technology

Pia Waugh: (and of course I mean hacking in the developer sense, not the annoying media misconception ;) )

Joel Whitaker: Thanks everyone!

dpambort@gmail.com 2: Thank you O'Reilly

Andrew Boyd: Great conference O'Reilly folk, thank you.

Laura: Allison - agreed! :) I am crim geek/theorist but can/do inform technologists

Stephen Collins: Education requires 21st C skills. Critical.

Keren Adderley`: GREAT event everyone, and it didn't cost my department a cent!!

Melissa VonHinken: *clap clap clap*

Laura: Thx Laurel :)

Alexandros Pagidas: Thank you O'Reilly

Stephen Collins: Well done speakers and O'Reilly. See you at Expo!

VideoMinutes: Thank you all

Craig Smith: Thanks, everyone.

Joel Whitaker: Thanks to my fellow presenters -- and to the interactive audience. Great chat!

Mark Drapeau 2: Thanks so much for participating, everyone. Keep the conversation going!

Mary Rotman: #Gov20olc

Antoinette Smith: Yes! *clap clap clap* ;)

Alexandra Banford: $free.99 and an immense amount of value.. thank you very much.

Pia Waugh: Thanks everyone! It's been a great session, and I look forward to the followup content, and hopefully seeing/hearing many of you at the Gov 2.0 expo and seminar later in the year

Alexandros Pagidas: We are the future people, we're living history

Kris Kasianovitz: Thank You!

Marsee Henon: Open Source Convention happens at July 19-23, 2010 in Portland, OR http://www.oscon.com/ if anyone is interested

Online Conferences: You can also download them here.

Marsee Henon: Register for the Gov 2.0 Expo, May 25-27, 2010 in Washington, DChttp://www.gov2expo.com/Use code gxp10olw to save 15% off the conference pricing.

Alexandros Pagidas: Let's hope we're rise up to the task ! :)

Online Conferences: In the box to the right. I'll leave the chat room open for about 15 minutes.

Jaimey Walking Bear: http://www.gov2expo.com May 25-27, Washington Convention Center

Joel Whitaker: I've posted some links related to my presentation at @joelwhitaker on Twitter.

Laura: Love to attend but cannot

Dominic Campbell: all my links can be found at http://delicious.com/Dominic_Campbell/globallocal

Jaimey Walking Bear: HUGE thanks everyone!

Toufic Absi (@Lebanon20): Thanks everyone! I really enjoyed it. Was great hearing the voices behind the tweets. Thanks Laurel for the warm welcome.

Dominic Campbell: thanks so much everyone

Laura: thx all!

Pia Waugh: Thanks Marsee, OSCon is great. Also check out http://linux.org.au/LCA

Sara Peyton: Thank you everyone from those of us here in Sebastopol, CA!

James Jacobs: thansk all

Elena Rapisardi: thanks for the opportunity

James Jacobs: quite informative

Pia Waugh: *clap* for Laurel and Mark

Allison Hornery: Thanks everyone, very informative and useful (worth the early morning start!)

Stephen Collins: If anyone wants to chat with me on Twitter, I'm @trib

Geneviève Bouillon Bernier: thanks a lot!

Laura: very pleased to be able to DL as i missed the majority! :(

Michael Russell: Thanks all for inspiring convo, ideas. FYI, I'm @planetrussell on Twitter.

Dave: thanks

Andrew Scarvell: see you all soon!

Laurel Ruma 2: Thank you all!

Stephen Collins: Now I *must* go get my kid ready for her school swim meet today.

Sheba: Is it possible to get the entire chat transcript - I only see the last bit?

Andrew Scarvell: yeah @trib, I was wondering ...

Laura: i am @org9 & @canadianpolice (try and contrib more next time!)

Joel Whitaker: Mike @planetrussell is great - follow him, people!

Jury Konga: Thanks for the great global dialogue - loved it! jkonga@sympatico.ca

VideoMinutes: Stay tuned to http://twitter.com/VideoMinutes for posting of the Gov 2.0 Camp New England video from Harvard (from this past Saturday)

Jaimey Walking Bear: You're all a fanstastic community. Thanks for joining us!

Alexandros Pagidas: Is anyone else having problems downloading the files?

Andrew Scarvell: thanks everyone!

Bob King: @Alexandros Download is working for me.

Allison Hornery: @Alexandros file download worked fine for me, but opens in new browser window

Andrew Scarvell: time for my weetbix ... !

Jaimey Walking Bear: @sheba We're working on posting the chat transcript to the OLC site

Mary Rotman: @Alexandros - you should be able to simply click the file you're wanting to download, and then click ''save to my computer.'' as others have said it opens in a new browser windows.

Michael Russell: @JoelWhitaker Thanks so much for the props. I'm honored.

Brian Gryth: gov 2.0 camp in Boulder CO on June 12, 2010 - more info at http://barcamp.org/rmgov20camp

Connect Solutions Support: if you select a file int he File Share pod and click ''Save to my computer'' a new browser window should appear allowing you to save the file locally

Bob King: Created http://gov20conference.pbworks.com/ for use in collaborating on the chat logs and other topics. Open to all. I'll work on editing my logs and posting them there.

Connect Solutions Support: make sure your pop-up blockers are off

Mary Rotman: If you still have problems with it, the slides will be posted on http://conferences.oreilly.com/gov2online later today.

Connect Solutions Support: or that you allow these pop-ups

Alexandros Pagidas: Great, thanks for the link Mary

David Tallan: Thanks everyone for a great online conference - the organizers, the presenters and fellow attendees on the chat line (and to everyone who tweeted it)

Jaimey Walking Bear: RT @Brian Gryth: gov 2.0 camp in Boulder CO on June 12, 2010 - more info at http://barcamp.org/rmgov20camp

Pia Waugh: OK, I have to go snooze for a little before getting into my work day, bye all! If anyone is ever wanting to chat further about this, or travelling to Australia from overseas, get in touch :) @piawaugh

Sergio Ontiveros: Great conference!, thanks!. SergioOntiveros.com

Alexandros Pagidas: Ok, I found the problem

Alexandros Pagidas: it was Firefox

Alexandros Pagidas: It works with Safari

Pia Waugh: @Alexandros Pagidas: it works fine on my Firefox

Kathleen Markham: ouch...look at these file sizes!

Pia Waugh: Yeah, I reckon all the slides should go on slideshare

Alexandros Pagidas: Weird.

Kathleen Markham: or compresssed some

Michael Russell: Yes, re FireFox 3.x. Clicking in File Share pod opens new tab, but doesn't steal focus. So, not immediately obvious.

Alexandros Pagidas: I think it must be the pop-up blocker or Ad block

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Pia we'll be posting the slides soon - probably to the Gov2 OLC site. stay tuned

Bob King: @pia We'd need to get Joel Whitaker's clearance prior to posting USIP presentation on SlideShare due to the caveats they contained.

Joel Whitaker: @Bob @pia - consider yourself cleared

Online Conferences: Joel gave us permission to post them here and on our site

Online Conferences: I think he's going to send us a cleaned up version

Bob King: Oh great. Good to hear. If that was said earlier I missed it.

Jaimey Walking Bear: Ha! Thanks @Joel!

Alexandros Pagidas: The 40% book off does it apply only on the O'Reilly bookstore?

Alexandros Pagidas: or does it apply in Amazon.com too?

VideoMinutes: Bye all!

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Alexandros - The discount only applies to oreilly.com

Alexandros Pagidas: Ok. I'll def. use it. This book sounds great

Kevin Mayall: is the discount just on the Open Gov book or other OR books?

Jaimey Walking Bear: @Kevin - the discount is good on any books on oreilly.com

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Alexandros Pagidas: Ok, I'm logging off ladies & gentlemen. It was such a pleasure & honor to be part of this. Once again a thank you O'Reilly and to everybody who participated

Brian Gryth: thanks all

Bob King: ### Ending log copy here. Thanks to all at O'Reilly and everyone else. Enjoyed the conference.

Final Save at 1401 PM CST

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